Fall Tour ?

It’s almost October and no fall tour announcement – hmmm.  We know its happening; Trey mentioned that fall was mapped out in a recent interview with Timeout: New York, while Mike vaguely discussed further fall Phish plans with the newspaper, The Poughkeepsie Journal.  The rumored dates that have circulated for well over a month seem all but set-in-stone.  Then why is Phish holding back?

fest8Rumor has it that ticket sales for Indio haven’t gone as well as expected, potentially pushing back the announcement of any other shows.  Well, it didn’t take a rocket scientist to predict that placing the festival as far as possible from the band’s home turf, in an expensive resort town, would adversely effect the draw. With trips from the east coast to Indio totaling in the $1000 range, people aren’t exactly flocking across the country.  This limited audience is one reason that Festival 8 could send the intimate west coast crowd directly to Cloud 9. The organization seems to have stripped away any surrounding shows from Halloween, in an effort to funnel everyone out west to Indio. If the band was playing the Hollywood Bowl in a month, you’d think we’d know already. But it seems just as peculiar that Phish wouldn’t play a couple warm-up gigs before stepping under the vast desert sky of Festival 8.

At this point, it seems that plans have been made – so announce the shows.  The set of dates that have circulated for quite some time, from a number of reliable sources are as follows:

Fall Tour 2009
November 20: US Bank Arena – Cincinnati, Ohio
November 21: US Bank Arena – Cincinnati, Ohio
November 24: Wachovia Center – Philadelphia, PA
November 25: Wachovia Center – Philadelphia, PA
November 27: Times Union Center – Albany, NY
November 28: Times Union Center – Albany, NY
December 2: Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
December 3: Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
December 4: Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
December 5: John Paul Jones Arena – Charlottesville, VA

Indoor Phish Awaits (Unk)

Indoor Phish Awaits (Unk)

All of these high-key east coast shows will sell out in minutes, perhaps another factor reasoning into the delayed announcement.  Assuming this is the Fall Tour, it a mere ten shows.  But of these ten shows, seven are in absolutely classic houses of Phish and will certainly be spectacles.  The Spectrum > MSG chunk of the tour is the true meat, with a midwestern appetizer and a southern dessert.  With an extensive summer under their belt, it’s not surprising that Phish would reel it back a bit for the fall. When an initial month long trek was rumored, it seemed like we were back in the late ’90s rather than in ’09.  But as we approach 2010, the mere existence of fall tour is cause for celebration.

In all likelihood, we will hear something soon- just in time to juice you for “mail-order” money before heading to Indio. But fall tour will be upon us before we know it, transitioning this experiment in latter-day Phish from the breeze-filled nights of summer to the dark, concrete super-structures where dreams come true.  Three multi-night stands and three nights at MSG in the middle of tour?!!  If this is all true, go ahead, Phish, and take your sweet time to announce the dates.  We’ll be here waiting.

Winged music note=====

Jam of the Day:

Free” 11.22.95 II


An aborted second-set opening “Rift”  made way for the most colossal “Free” ever played.



5.3.1985 Last Day Party, UVM-Redstone Burlington, VT SBD < Torrent

5.3.1985 Last Day Party, UVM-Redstone, Burlington, VT SBD < Mega

phishThis is an historic Phish show for many reasons.  First and foremost, this was the first time Page sat in with the band, playing for the entirety of set III.  Strewn with Dead covers, including the only known performance of “The Other One,” Phish was still in the process of finding their musical niche- and their keyboard player.  If that doesn’t give this show enough significance, it also contains the first known performances of “Mike’s Song,” “McGrupp,”  “Alumni Blues,” “Dave’s Energy Guide,” and also the first incarnation of “Antelope.”

I: Slave to the Traffic Light, Mike’s Song* > Dave’s Energy Guide*, Big Leg Emma**

II. Alumni Blues, Wild Child, Can’t You Hear Me Knocking, Jam > Cities, Bring It On Home**

III: Scarlet Begonias > Eyes of the World, Whipping Post, McGrupp and the Watchful Hosemasters* > Makisupa Policeman > Run Like an Antelope Jam*^ > The Other One**

E: Anarchy

*debut, ** only performance, ^ jam only

Notes: The only part of set I that is on this recording is “Mike’s > Dave’s Energy Guide.” All of Set II is missing. This is the only known circulated source of this show.

Source: SBD

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402 Responses to “Fall Tour ?”

  1. Pence Says:


  2. GuitarPicker420! Says:

    I haven’t found MMW to be diva-ish at all. I had a drink with Chris Wood when he came through with his brother. He signed my copy of Radiolarians III. I told him I really dug track 3, he flipped it over, checked the song title, and then talked about how that song got created and what they were thinking of for about 5 minutes. I found him to be a genuinely nice guy. Stuck around until everybody was gone to sign stuff, etc. Obviously, your mileage may vary.

  3. VTsnowboarder802 Says:

    anyone want to repost the F8 article so I don’t have to dig back through the day’s thread?

  4. BrandonKayda Says:

    Completely – It caught me off guard, that was the first time I had really heard Dark Star get so menacing. I had always seen it as a really beautiful flowing kind of song….then i go to listen to this 91′ version this morning and it completely blew my mind.

    That Eyes is beautiful though, I agree. They definitely veered away from the normal Verse 1>Solo>Verse 2>Solo>Verse 3>Jam/reprise. The solo inbetween the first and second verse was so long, but so well done. Every note seemed like it was in the riight place, Jerry was just fluttering along the frets. It was really good.

    This set really gives me a different perspective on era’s AFTER 77′ I mean, I don’t think 77′ was their best, but I always went with the belief that everything began to fall apart after that, and the 90’s era suffered the most. I’m sure there are gems in all era’s. Those Hampton 89′ shows that are mentioned are definitely a highlight. Truckin’->Spanish Jam->The Other One.

  5. BrandonKayda Says:

    It cut me off


    The Truckin->Spanish->Other One was from a 74′ show I was reccomending

  6. Mitch Says:

    I know this is way behind miner, but you could post one of the archive shows from a festie since F8 is taking a lot of the discussions.

  7. Mr. Completely Says:

    yeah re: today’s download – how many nice sbd versions of DEG are there anyway? do they vary much?

  8. voopa Says:

    I took away something each of the 49 Dead shows I saw- 1st 10-27-91 -that show itself is remarkable as it was less than 48 hours after Bill Graham died. Very powerful, particularly Althea and the Iko -> Hey Bo Diddley -> Mona sequence w/Santana and Gary Duncan. Of course the Halloween show from that run w/Kesey is a classic. Their set at the memorial concert in Golden Gate Park on 11-3 is marred by tuning problems, but Forever Young w/Neil is worth hearing.

    Other late highlights that haven’t been mentioned yet:

    7-16-90- one of the first tapes I had, Set 2 opens nicely with Sug Mag>Scarlet>Women Are Smarter (then Ship of Fools? hmm)

    9-20-90- HUGE Dark Star AFTER drums>space, with Playin’ Reprise sandwiched therein, followed by one of Phil’s best segues, Throwing Stones >Touch. Brent just murders his pianer during after the second verse of DS.

    There’s crispy boards of most of Fall ’89 tour in circulation, aside from Miami. One of my faves is 10-15 Crazy Fingers>Estimated>Eyes.

    5-21-92- One of greatest late era Bird Songs

    9-18-87 MSG- BEST DEW EVER

    12-13-92- This first set spoke to me as I stood there 20 rows from Jerry:
    Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo ; It’s All Over Now ; West L.A. Fadeaway ; Me And My Uncle > Maggie’s Farm ; Tennessee Jed ; The Promised Land
    …it said “Dump her ass and get on the road!” Well, I dumped her ass, but stayed rooted, which were both good maneuvers. Time for another Pale Ale.

  9. voopa Says:

    I meant Bruce, not Brent. Please excuses the other horrible errors in that post as well.

  10. Mr. Completely Says:

    @Brandon – I (and many others) feel that summer ’89 thru spring or summer ’91 was a real renaissance for them. Fall ’89 is uneven – as many bad shows as great ones – but check that Miami Dark Star.

    I do invite you to download the two “High Time” mixes I have up there – they are Brent era stuff, 1979-90 – and while I certainly had to cherry pick very hard to get them as tight as they are, I think they hold up extremely well. Which is just to say that on a good night they could still really fly, but those nights came and went. I would be glad to replace the single files that are up there now with zip packages.

    re: dark, crazy, dissonant Dark Stars – many classic 72-74 ones get very dark and dissonant after the first verse; in fact “uber dissonant” very extreme noise jams (aka “the Tiger” and similar aggro space jams) were the rule rather than the exception…I just heard the Missoula 5-14-74 one for the first time today and it fits that mold perfectly.

    /dead hijack, apologies as usual

  11. Mr. Completely Says:

    great picks from voopa as usual including the Cal Expo Playin’ mentioned previously

    miami sbds are fine, if you don’t have em I’ll dig em up 😮

  12. BrandonKayda Says:

    Thank you very much for the suggestions, Completely. Looks like I need to hear these Miami shows.

    And yeah, maybe we should just move this on over to email. You still have mine? bkayda (at) gmail (dot) com

  13. voopa Says:

    I worded that poorly, I just meant that Miami had been mentioned previously 🙂

  14. shawn Says:

    if these tourdate rumors are true, well, whats up with the lack of love for the southeast. come on now, say it aint so

  15. Mitch Says:

    I LOVE that 9.20 dark star and playin reprise (finished the unfinished version from a few nights before)

    whole show is nice. I can mediafire a sbd for anyone who needs it.

  16. Kevin Says:

    Did they consider the growing age of their fanbase? Maybe I’m an older Phish head (something I’m refusing to accept) but myself and all my buddies who used to tour in 99 have families now. We can’t pack up and leave for Halloween, the greatest kid’s holiday of all time!

  17. Mr.Miner Says:

    what is “The Tiger”? The Dark Star Jam? I know….nOOb

  18. sumodie Says:

    “thanks Sumodie… assuming you know what you are talking about 😉
    it seems they should add winter dates to recoup F8 losses…”

    The very anxiety produced by all of us worrying about Fest8 only increases ticket sales, which is just what they wanted. All is not lost….winter dates will come too.

  19. sumodie Says:

    Miner, have you seen your avatar sold at shows? Would love to get a t-shirt/print of the Phish/Lost logo.

  20. voopa Says:

    The Tiger was one of the Doug Irwin designed guitars that Jerry played for a while in the early 70’s…it’s also slang for the deep space jams they would hit in those days (to paraphrase a Deadbase review of the Kezar ’75 show, “They hit the Tiger, and it ROARED!”

    You could compare it to some of Phish’s more psychedelic jams…the “Morrison Jam” I’m listening to right now touches on it a bit.

  21. voopa Says:

    correction, designed by John Cutler, built by Irwin.

  22. voopa Says:

    I *might* have had a brief fling with John Cutler’s daughter (if he had one)…she told me some backstage stories, and the only visible crew member I could narrow it down to was him, but she was gone before I could verify anything. Crazy days.

  23. voopa Says:

    …did I say too much?

  24. Mr. Completely Says:

    The Tiger I was talking about is a particular kind of very edgy aggressive dissonant space…here:
    peaking about 10:30-45
    this one’s pretty average…
    transitions out of Tiger are the best, can go anywhere, I love this one a lot

    The other Tiger was the main guitar from ’79 to ’89-90. My icon is the design of the inlay on it. Due to equipment probs with his main guitar he actually played it at his final show as well. Very heavy with unique electronics that gave him extra control over effects directly on the guitar…kind of the opposite of a Languedoc approach if I’m understanding it right…’docs are made to ring like a bell or sing like a violin, Irwin guitars are more like a grand piano, very heavy with super clean tone…not sure if that really makes sense

  25. Mr. Completely Says:

    and lol voopa not at all

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