Weekend Nuggets: Fall Tour Openers

DOWNLOADS OF THE WEEKEND:

9.8.00 Albany Tour Opener

9.8.00 Albany Tour Opener

As Wednesday’s Fall Tour opener stares us down, this weekend we will take a trip back to some other indoor Fall Tour openers. Albany’s 2000 kickoff is new to the site, featuring standout versions of “Ghost” and “Bathtub Gin,” while the others are re-posts to grab if you missed ’em!

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9.8.00 “Knickerbocker Arena” Albany, NY < Torrent

9.8.00 “Knickerbocker Arena” Albany, NY < Megaupload

2000-09-08moI: Mellow Mood*, Limb By Limb, Ghost, Bouncing Around the Room, The Horse > Silent in the Morning, Saw It Again, NICU, Glide, Axilla, Taste, Golgi Apparatus

II: Birds of a Feather, Windora Bug*, David Bowie, Back at the Chicken Shack, Bathtub Gin** > Jam > Character Zero

E: Fire

*Debut / **The jam out of the end of Gin featured Fishman on vacuum and Trey on drums.

Source: B&K 4011’s > Lunatec V2 > Apogee AD-500 > Tascam DA-P1 (@48kHz)

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9.9.99 GM Place, Vancouver, BC < Torrent

9.9.99 GM Place, Vancouver, BC < Megaupload

gm_logoI. Mozambique*, Axilla > Limb By Limb, Horn, Guyute, Chalk Dust Torture, Back at the Chicken Shack, Stash, I Didn’t Know, Character Zero

II: Birds of a Feather, Ha Ha Ha > Ghost, The Inlaw Josie Wales*, First Tube*, Tweezer > Bug, You Enjoy Myself, Hello My Baby

E: Sample in a Jar, Golgi Apparatus, Tweezer Reprise

*Debut

Source: Unknown

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11.13.97 Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, NV < Torrent

11.13.97 Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, NV < Megaupload

Thomas & Mack Center

Thomas & Mack Center

I: Chalk Dust Torture, Black-Eyed Katy*, Theme From the Bottom, Train Song, Split Open and Melt, Beauty of My Dreams, My Soul, You Enjoy Myself, Character Zero

II. Stash, Punch You In the Eye, Prince Caspian, Bouncing Around the Room, Mike’s Song > I Am Hydrogen > Weekapaug Groove

E Loving Cup

*Debut

Source: Unknown

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Winged-music-noteJam of the Weekend: 9.8.00

Ghost” I

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Bathtub Gin > jam > Character Zero” II

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The most compelling segments of Fall 2000’s tour opener.

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VIDEOS OF THE WEEKEND: Festival 8

“Harry Hood” jam 10.30.09 (by RadioStarKilla)

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“Mike’s Song” 11.1.09 (by glump1)

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“Tweezer” 11.1.09 – partial (by Tyler Penn)

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Festival 8 Slideshow (by S.Colfax)

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255 Responses to “Weekend Nuggets: Fall Tour Openers”

  1. BK Says:

    Definitely major problems with trying to use current imaging technologies to understand even basic consciousness, let alone anything *higher* than that.

    Although, I did luckily have the opportunity to work on some fMRI and PET studies of advanced Tibetan meditators… which promptly blew my mind and set me on the course I’ve been on ever since.

    In terms of Wilber and the postmodernists, I still think the Madhyamikas put it all much more beautifully and deeply, and 1800 years ago taboot!

  2. BK Says:

    ^^ @Mr C — For some reason my reply to you ended up at the bottom of page 8.

    Sorry for the nerd hijack. So to try to make the mini-thread more relevant to phish: Which philosopher is most relevant to phish’s music and our fandom?

  3. ThePigSong Says:

    I see it was delivered, hopefully the tic made it into your hands safely.

  4. Mr. Completely Says:

    @BK, LFFA no not a grad student. I lasted 2 weeks in college. “But I don’t got a degree!”
    KW came up in a discussion of…well I forget how it started…maybe the lyrics to Light? In any case the concept of nonduality came up and it went from there.

    ============ nerd digression – the conclusion ========

    @KWL – certainly that less radical interpretation of postmodernism is, I think, unassailable at this point. It’s certainly one of the foundational concepts that KW builds his ideas around. Perhaps I need to re-read Derrida or do so in a different translation…no, I see the distinction. He’s wrong about the primacy of language in understanding in very simple physical situations. I don’t think modern scientific studies of brain function leave that argument any room for plausibility. Many, mostly reactive, functions occur in areas of the brain that are entirely prelinguistic. So that’s the fallacy that the critique is based on. Not that it’s not relational, but that only part of the spectrum of consciousness is linguistic in any way.

    Wilber’s point in this context, one which is not open to rational refutation (which makes his academic opponents quite frustrated), is that there are also brain functions which operate in equally nonlinguistic, but “higher” rather than lower, levels of consciousness. You can’t just say “no there isn’t.” You have to do the experiment…which is, learn to meditate.

    Which brings me to the very last thing I’ll say about KW. What I loved about him, in the pre-guru-trip days, was that all of his arguments were designed to draw people in, and lead them up to the point where to disagree with him, you have to try some different forms of meditation and see for yourself or you really have no basis to argue.

    So the whole thing is kind of a trick to get people to sit down, shut up, and actually try to see how their own minds work.

    Which was brilliant until he started selling the Buy Your Own Enlightenment kits.

  5. flarrdogg Says:

    ‘nerds, nerds, nerds,!’- in my best ogre from revenge of the nerds voice.

  6. flarrdogg Says:

    posts are coming up out of order today. weird.

  7. RamblinOnMyMind Says:

    @KWL – what field are you in? comparative lit? philosophy in a continental department? definitely sounds like you’re somewhere in academia

    @BK – there are a few grad students on the board, i believe….not Mr. C though. He’s just jealous that he’s not racking up the kind of debt we are. You people and your “jobs” and “money”

    Next Up: “Trey 3.0 as the anti-Sartre”

  8. BK Says:

    @ Ramblin – Anti-Sartre, I like that!

    Finally done with school myself, now a clinical psychologist. Nice to put the book down and DO a little.

    My vote for Helping Friendly Book: Chuang Tzu. Anyone familiar?

  9. sumodie Says:

    LLFA @ student debt -no comment about mine, though it is locked down at the ridiculous rate of 3.25% I believe. My friend for life it seems.

  10. Weekapaug Says:

    “Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate.”
    Chuang Tzu

  11. BK Says:

    ^^ Nice Paug! Another reason to love this board.

    “Making do is not as good as laughing. Laughing is not as good as opening up. Just open; let changes happen. There you will find your wings and become one with heaven.” Chuang Tzu

  12. BK Says:

    BTW, I managed to read an advance copy of Phish: The Biography by Parke Puterbaugh (of the really unfortunate cover photo infamy).

    If anyone’s interested I could give my two cents. For what it’s worth, if the daily posts here are any indication, I’d save my money for Miner’s book

  13. Weekapaug Says:

    Are you guys familiar with the visionary artist Alex Grey?

    I would love to see some sort videoagraphy done with Alex Grey’s work at a Phish show.

    maybe something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql9RMRMa3Qk&feature=related

    great video about his work here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08R8tgvXa7o

  14. jdub Says:

    Hope you all had a great weekend. I see the philisophical dialogue has continued today, good to see.

    Re: Alex grey is an interesting artist, he admittedly developed his style after years of taking the psychedellic
    ic sacrament LSD. He is also involved with Ken Wilber’s integral institute

  15. jdub Says:

    BK, Should I save my money for Miner’s version

  16. gus Says:

    yeah BK I’d like to hear what it’s like. and just wondering, when is the release date? i’m thinking about getting it.

  17. Fatbunch Says:

    @Weekapaug: congrats on your fun festi moment. Did you have to miss much music with that catering gig?

    @Mr. C: I enjoy reading your posts and share a regional home base with you. Thought of you at the Gorge more than once.

    @Sumodie: I was not in Omar Sayeed – by my good buddy with whom I had a band in H.S. went on to Brown and formed OSQ as the guitarist and front-man. They were phish-like in that their music had the structural elements of composed sections followed or interspesed with jam segments. They had a great demo tape with several monsters that were just plain phishy – “Pomegranite Janet” “Groggy” “Spooky Tooth” for example. Funny thing was always thinking they sounded quite like phish but then I remember when I first heard Tube I thought it sounded like a song written by OSQ. They were a four-piece by the way but were the “quintet” because they used Omar Sayeed’s name for the band (guy in the freshman dorm?). I remember seeing them at Brown in a Fraternity once (have no idea where) and they came up and played an incredible outdoor end-of-year party on Shelburne Road in Burlington in maybe ’91. I remember them knocking our socks off with a “Superstitious” and they covered Mike’s and AC-DC Bag. I wish I still had that demo tape – it would be fun to post those tunes. My friend went on to be a regular musician in the San Francisco scene, has played all the big venues, with Brazilian projects and very unique sounding bands. Even lucked out playing Bob Wier’s 50th birthday in Marin county as a gig – he didn’t realize what it was until it was under way!

    Funny awesome 2009 20 years later moment: at the Gorge, same dude had flown up from Cali, we’re there with other friends in the crew from way back all together again and we’re telling the story of how I called from VT to say “you’ve got to see this band phish in Boston next week” and that Paradise gig was his first show – can still remember watching him have his point-of-reference moment with Good Times/Bad Times at that show – anyway my other friend in the crew says “that was my first show too – this guy right here made the same phone call to me on Cape Cod.” So we were all together at that show at the Paradise 20 years ealier though we didn’t know it until 20 years later.

    I could not have predicted 2009 in my wildest dreams! I’ve had more or less of a once or twice a year, if I can swing it, approach but for 2009: Hampton-Gorge-Indio. Perfection!

    @Bingos: Baggot was a larger-than-life dude to boot so it almost seemed plausible that it was an intentional pun. Suppose we’ll never know. I believe he was in on the whole get-the-phans-on-a-bus-to-Boston project for the Paradise show in ’89. I read about that years later in a Trey interview and was like “wait a minute – I was on that bus!”

    Grew up taking mass transit to MSG for the Dead in late 80’s. Favorite other venues included SPAC, Brendan Byrne, Philly and of course the mothership Hampton, VA! I remember trying to storm the ramps with everybody else on 3-26-88 only to hide from security under a car in the pouring rain and then finding refuge in a hotel hot tub with the show on f.m. and THEN getting a free ticket for my story (from a cutie cutie) and catching the next night’s rediculous show with the break out of Dear Mr Fantasy and finally driving back to the tri-state area to arrive just in time for home-room at 8:00 Monday morning!

    And then there was Phish.

  18. Weekapaug Says:

    @ Fatbunch. Great story about your Gorge experience. I was lucky enough to get box seats that whole weekend with push button drink service. Hadn’t see Phish there since ’98.

    I only missed two sets of music at Festival 8. The Exile set and Sundays 2nd set. I didn’t work in catering, just ate there 🙂 I worked for Goldenvoice/AEG running the campgrounds. They got the job because they build the Coachella/Stagecoach campgrounds. Much of the same people I worked with on Vans Warped Tour. Many work on the Mayhem Tour and Taste of Chaos Tour. I was grateful to see any music at all really.

  19. SillyWilly Says:

    Just doing a little Sunday night browse of the posts, when I came across a question I’ve been dying to answer. and yes this is super-nerdy, but i think its fun to talk about…

    What philosopher is most relevant to Phish’s music?

    For me, its a toss up between the ideas presented by Adorno and Horkheimer in The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception and Albert Camus’ words about art in The Rebel. Adorno and Horkheimer pronounce the death of originality in art due to capitalism and its tendency to latch on to artistic media that are easily mass reproduced. Thus, the novel became the most common form of literary art. Simply put, it was the easiest form for publishers to mass reproduce. Phish is a solution to this problem. Every single show is a brand new experience that mixes music, subjective emotion, lights, etc. etc. etc. everything that we all love about phish shows. The phish experience is something you simply cannot fully grasp until you are there. Along these same lines, the band encourages us to tape and distribute their music. Instead of allowing the record labels to control the scene, the fans and the band control the scene.
    Camus says that music is the most absurd form of art (remember for camus, sartre, beauvoir absurd is a good thing) because it only gains its meaning through the interplay of the human mind and human emotion. Music does not have a logic to it and in this way it reflects life. The meaning of life is whatever humans give it. I see Phish as absurd artists (again in the good way that the french used the word). We all know this to be true. Is there anyway to fully explain the beauty of a great phish jam? Look at the posts by people during Festival8. Words like blissful, gorgeous, melt your face off, describe the music. We listen to the tweezer>maze and we know that something truly amazing is happening, but we can’t quite explain it.
    This is life and a Phish show is one of the perfect metaphors of the absurd life as I see it.

  20. BK Says:

    The book is a really solid history of the band, and it benefits from great access to the band and the inner circle of staff throughout the years. That’s both the pro and the con of the book, as he raises some issues (eg, drugs and debauchery) but drops them quickly though he hints that he knows the sordid details. Almost as if he wants to preserve his relationship with the band.

    Also, he doesn’t really capture the fan experience, and his description of the music and what makes it special doesn’t hold a candle to Miner.

    So, it’s a fun weekend read, and good for the fan who has seen a few shows or is intrigued but doesn’t know the backstory. Or, if you’re obsessive and like to read between the lines, or for the few juicy tidbits scattered here and there.

    Admittedly though, I’ve gotten spoiled as hell reading the show write-ups and the discussions that ensue here on this site so maybe the bar has been set too high…

    And Gus, the pub date is “December, 2009.” Maybe Amazon has a more specific date?

  21. c0wfunk Says:

    so zzyzx says, based on ticket numbers, that a couple that each puts in on the nye lottery this weekend has a 41% chance of getting tix – pretty good odds! We just put our two in, so flip the coin 🙂

    –I have to agree that I’ll take the phishy “light” vibe over the darkness that the dead ended in. It’s sad what the 80s did to so many of the pioneers of the 60s – some (eric clapton, david crosby) have come out the other side, so many did not. Trey comes from such a different time and has always brought a lighter side to the psychedelic thing, which I think is one of the greatest and most unique things about phish. Psychedelia before phish was so Serious – they are the first big ones with the courage to look the Worm dead in the eye and say “ha ha ha”
    🙂

  22. gus Says:

    alright sweet thank, I guess I fall under the ‘obsessive fan that likes to read between the lines’ category haha

  23. neemor Says:

    I feel about six feet deep trying to catch up to some of the posts here tonight…wow.
    I’m so glad that the cream has risen to this board….
    It’s been coming and finally feels complete.
    Well done, Miner.

  24. BK Says:

    @ SillyWilly – Fully agree on both counts. And Kudos to the board this weekend on really escalating the nerdiness beyond just phish obsessions. Turner, Wilber, Derrida, Camus, Chuang Tzu, et al.

    Hey Type III – Do these count as guest sit ins on the weekend’s setlist?

  25. Robear Says:

    I’m not going to make it to Cobo. My little man is pretty sick. Time to figure out the ‘No Spoilers’

    For all you cats heading there, hit up the Waterwheel table. Tell them Robear sent you! It’s a great cause, ‘Greening of Detroit’.

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