Season 6, Episode 4 "The Lighthouse"
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@lycan i am new read most of the postings and really like the idea that there are 2 lists of people one for jacob and one for mib. also another good point was the one about this flash sideways could be jacobs loop hole. also jacob points out that he intended for jack to break the lighthouse so that he knew he was important. i think i very strong point is made by jacob at the fact that he says while he can led hurley by getting in the back of a cab and telling him what to do but others like jack it takes them time as jacob says”let them look out at the ocean for a little” very similar to when jacob is lookin out to the ocean at the end of season 5 just some thoughts
well they did spend a few moments in the future. When they found the camp and canoes with the ajira bottles. That was their future then
@chiov
yeah i found that interesting too.
wasn’t sure if he was insulting Hurley or not, and judging by Hurley’s face, I think he was wondering too.
I am thinking maybe jacob might be responsible for all the hardships our castaways have gone through, but i also think he is responsible for this second chance that they are having.
It seems that all of them are making the revelations they spent 3 years trying to find but never did. But this time they are figuring things out within days of landing in LAX. We had been led to believe that the island held redemption for all them, but the island provided all the torture, self reflection and trials that a soul needs to go through to be reborn better and anew in the new timeline.
He (Jacob) needs these fully excersized souls for whatever his master plan is.
Its weird because he is so adamant about certain people making choices on their own, yet he also seems to be laying a certain predetermined path on them too.
Of course it is another example of the faith/free will/destiny relationship. Some people blindly follow based on faith (Hurley) and some struggle with their faith against their own free will (Jack) but ultimately both are led to their destiny. And hopefully answers.
theories – http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lighthouse_%28episode%29/Theories
“left no doubt that Jack is Jacob’s chosen one.”
I think JAck may actually end up needing to sacrifice himself, actually. That’s what he “needs to do” and figure out for himself.
Last night’s ep did almost nothing for me except check off a few plot points that needed to be moved forward. Another ep watching Jack emote all angsty – the only thing good about that is that hopefully it is the last time I’ll ever have to sit through it.
The only aspect of the ep I really enjoyed was the focus on Hurley. That’s always awesome. “You and me…walkin through the jungle…on our way somewhere to do something we don’t really understand…good times.” Tru dat!
Yet another huge landmark no one noticed before, hidden by island magic. Yet another donkey wheel to turn. Yet another crazy lady in the jungle. And all throughout – Jack, Jack and more Jacky McJackerson and his insistence that everything be about him.
Sorry, I love the show and love where it’s going, and I think everything in last night’s episode lined up perfectly with the theories we’ve been discussing before. But it felt to me like “and now we need to have a Jack ep to get him ready for the big ending” and the result was IMO by far the least interesting episode since sometime in the middle of last season at least…
sacrifice himself for what do you think? The island, Jacob, his friends, the alternate timeline, all one and the same?
@mr. c
see i disagree.. this is following suit with this seasons previous episodes.
The characters are finding peace with themselves. Yes Jack reignited a bit of his former angst with the mirror crashing. But how symbolic was that?
How much mirror imagery has been thrown at us this season? Literally and figuratively. Jack is an angry man, plain and simple. But his anger may prove to be useful.
Of course this was all about Jack, this is what Jacob intends is to take Jack to the very limits of his ego so he can finally brush past it. But to see Jack sittin on the cliffs looking introspective and thoughtful, well that is a huge step.
That being said, I don’t think Jack is the chosen one. I think all our numbered Losties will serve some singular purpose towards a larger goal.
Locke has already served as Jacob’s sacrifice (ala Chess)
Curious to see what Sayid’s role is.
Hurley is the communicator for Jacob.
Jack is being groomed for his specific task.
I thought this episode was a wonderful full circle to the Jack we met in Season 1. Going back to the caves, finding Shannon’s inhaler, working out daddy issues, though this time he was the daddy.
These were all great scenes for Jack’s character and important to.
But what we really need to wonder is this.
Who is #108? Why did Jacob want them to see what ever reflection 108 would reveal? According to a snapshot from Lostpedia.com the name beside 108 is Wallace. And it ISN’T scratched out.
Wallace? Who the fuck is Wallace?
Surely they aren’t going to introduce a new character with that level of importance. No I think the lineage of the name Wallace is a clue.
Wallace is Scottish
Desmond is Scottish
The island wasn’t through with Desmond yet last we heard, which in their timeline was only a week ago!
@Miner-
I am an avid user of Lostpedia, but mostly for the recap purposes and the interesting trivia they have at the bottom. This little snippets are usually the little easter eggs that may be missed in the excitement of the whole episode.
As far as the theories pages go, I usually like to wait til about 4-5 days after the episode to check out. One, they are usually much more organized by that point and two, I like to formulate some of my own theories without the influence of smarter men and women than me 😉
I agree the “who is coming” question is of obvious interest and the obvious answers would seem to be Faraday (if he exists) or Desmond. I didn’t know the Wallace thing. Wallace is close to “Walt” fwiw.
I don’t disagree with what you say, lycan, or the fact that they had to do all of those things in order to get JAck’s character where it needs to be (which again I think is, ready to sacrifice himself)
It’s just that I do not like Jack, and am tired of his mercurial back and forth, now I am ok calm cool and collected, now I am randomly taking whatever destructive action pops into my head.
It’s not that I think it’s badly done. It’s just that I have no emotional investment in Jack whatsoever so I don’t care about his daddy issues or their resolution. That’s my problem and not the show’s, of course.
He’s the only character left in the show that’s like that, fwiw. I’m interested in everyone else.
@ Lycan-
Who IS Wallace? I like the idea that it might be Faraday (poached from Lostpedia) who neither has his mother’s name (Hawking) nor his father’s (Widmore). Or could it be Libby? Have we ever learned her last name? Isn’t she supposed to be back this season?
I also wanted to post my 2 cents about the whole MIB vs. Jacob metaphor: I think everyone is way too focused on one being good and the other being evil. I think we have been shown that both are good and evil. I think they are more clearly metaphors for the two sides of the destiny vs. free will argument.
The whole wallace as #108 is odd. But the name is crossed off.
But i am i the only one seeing #51 Austen, not crossed off. Not how i had been thinking Kate’s name was spelled that way, but looks familiar, def not crossed off.
here are some stillshots i was looking at.
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/6e25fca783c5e16e357daba6ef80c774
The alt timeline is weird. I keep thinking, they are just showing us the ending of the show in advance. eventually they will do something that puts them on that plane, they just show us in advance to show how everything is connected, and fate will always intervene. it’s like an in-season epilogue. i, at this point, see no logical tie-together of these timelines.
read up on Jacob and Esau in the bible. Also Jacob’s ladder. I think there’s some insight there.
hey @accountant
I’m totally on board with the game in play being more in the destiny/freedom area than good/evil – agree with you on that one for sure
Faraday as a protector of the island..
hmm sounds scary.
Love Faraday though.
He just a tad too twitchy for spirtual dominion though.
he doesn’t have to be the protector himself
maybe he just has a part to play
again
prolly not tho
I just hope he comes back one way or another
@Mr. C
Yeah for Seasons 2-4 I had no love for Jack.
I was rooting for Jack and Kate to die together in some car crash or polar bear mauling or something.. 😉
But Season 5 he actually started turning around for me.
He’s still Jack in all his impulsiveness and reactionary technique, but I think he is trying to at least accept that there ARE certain things beyond his control. Especially in the Flash-Sideways.
I think the only reason I have still cared about Jack’s father issues is because of Jack’s father himself, Christian. He is one of my favorite characters on the show (Christian that is) and I can’t say that I am a little bummed that I am now presuming him to just be a manifestation of Smokey at this point. I had hoped for a much more involved story arc for the Shepards as far as their direct possible relation to Jacob.
Yeah I am not buying into this whole single person to replace Jacob either..
I definitely think it will come down to the surviving members working together to be heroic.
I’m stumped at who to select as my avatar now..
If I continue in my logic, Charlie would be the next episode. But I really doubt that is the case. My guess is either Sayid or Sun and Jin for next week
two words:
polar bear
I would not be shocked at all by a Charlie ep at some point soon tho lycan
Upon further reflection
Jack’s anger seems warranted in this case though..
I mean up in that lighthouse he realized that all the guilt, death, hurt, and weight that he has burden himself with was not really his fault after all.
He realized that he was being manipulated into every decision he made. He realized they all were. He realized that detonating Jughead was a fools errand and yet he was supposed to do it.
Its the classic free will champion being broken down by the realization of a higher power at the reigns.
something else to think about
if FLocke just turned up at Claire’s little hovel, then where is Sawyer?
I am pretty sure that last night we saw the first intersection of the two timelines. The scar Jack sees, but does not recognize, in the parallel reality is the same scar that the others have given Claire and Sayid in testing their “candidacy” by branding them. We saw Dogen do this to Sayid last week. The fact that Jack “doesn’t remember” getting an appendectomy suggets that this scar is from a future event in the 2007 timeline in which he will be tested and ultimately chosen as “candidate”
The only glitch is his mother’s explanation, but something was clearly significant with that scar, and the fact that Claire showed us the same one earlier in the episode (or later, I don’t remember).
At this point I definitely think that the alternatimeline will be caused by a future event in the 2007 timeline, setting things on their course…
I am not sure Jacob is good and Smokey i evil anymore. I am not sure that the cave is Jacobs…because the lighthouse looks to be jacobs….could the cave be Smokey’s? Was last week a deception for Sawyer?