L O S T: “Ab Aeterno” Discussion Thread

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  1. Mr.Miner Says:

    Had to go 2 x to the dome for that one….greeeeeaaat stuff.

  2. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    now THAT was a good episode. Richard has always been an intriguing character to me and so many questions I have had were answered or at least had some light shed on them.

    definitely one I’ll re-watch soon because I know there are probably some gems I missed.

  3. Marshall Says:

    will be re-watching today. Best episode of the final season, by far. Will probably watch next week’s replay to get the pop-ups (not something I usually do but will for this one).

    How the Black Rock ended up THAT far into the island … I guess we have out answer, but somehow I’m still asking “how?”.

    Jacob and MiB just got a lot bigger. If MiB really is Satan (or the true equivalent) trapped on the island, who could wreak all sorts of havoc if he ever got off, then wow.

    Was Richard/Ricardo one of the “numbers” on the lighthouse dial? Last night when Jacob was talking to the girl (burned – forget her name), he said “they are the last remaining candidates” which leads me to believe that all the numbers represented candidates (which is why their numbers and names had been scratched out – they’d been tested and failed??)

  4. Mr.Palmer Says:

    Satan ,huh? Great episode. Have to watch again for sure. Hurley’s role is certainly expanding, which is great to see.

  5. bhizzle Says:

    @Marshall…Jacob told Ricardo (never Richard again) that he brought him to the island, however I don’t know why Jacob would do so by destroying his fancy statue…

    also…Jacob said only people he invites into his “home” can come in….I cannot remember who he has all invited…sounds like a vampire thing..corey feldmen type shit

  6. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    I’m not sure it is satan so much as “evil incarnate”
    you can make the connections to christian allegory if you want but I don’t think that is necessarily the backing modus here.

    so Jacob is the gatekeeper for the cork that is the island but he is also the one trying to prove to MiB that evil is not the inevitable choice for all people. Richard appears to be one of the few examples he has been able to provide in this regard, as evidenced by the whole “don’t gloat” conversation.

    something that just occurred to me: weren’t there black and white stones in the pouch with Adam & Eve when Jack found the caves? what’s up with them then? were they possibly other people Jacob used to try to prove his point?

    I know we’ll probably never get any answer there, but it is interesting to think about how apparently everyone Jacob has brought to the island is either to prove the good to MiB or is a candidate to replace Jacob in the protector role.

  7. bhizzle Says:

    Also I believe, yes, tested and failed…black smoke = failure…Jacob’s explaination to Ricardo of why his wife got taken by the black smoke and hence Ricardo’s new job of guidance.

  8. Mr. Palmer Says:

    @TII- only reason i mentioned the satan thing is because they mentioned it during the episode. I usually miss a lot when watch it the 1st time through. I’ll focus more the second time around.

    The first time Richard told the everyone they were in hell, admittingly, i was throwwn for a loop.

  9. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    yeah, Palmer, I wasn’t a fan of that when he first said it. It was like “c’mon! really?! all this time and energy and you’re gonna cop out with they’re all dead?!?”

  10. Mr. Palmer Says:

    ^^ exactly

  11. Marshall Says:

    @ TIII – I wrote “Satan (or the true equivalent)” to try and accommodate what you wrote later 😉

  12. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    ^
    I got that, Marshall 😉 I was flushing it out for myself as much as clarifying anything anyone else wrote.

    there’s a lot we could go into with this episode. some questions were answered, some new ones arose, and the whole thing was done in a very thought provoking manner. offers up some good philosophical questions taboot.

  13. jorgen Says:

    The episode was pretty good but they are still lacking. How much does it suck to watch them live on tv. Everytime something good comes up they hype it up then go to commercial….and never go back and fully explain things. Theyre gonna make this a whole free will/choice thing like jacob always talks about and in the end say none of it mattered or time travel is fake like back to the future. I mean show us the goods. What was walt doing with those people..waht are his powers did he create the polar bear? Show everyone that has been healed by the island. Show all the people that came before black rock. What is the others role? I mean why do they live in shantys with ripped clothes yet have the ability to leave the island and do all this amazing shit. The story seems a little convenient these days like thats all they could fukcing come up with to tie all this shit together. Whos knows hope for a good ending to the seas.

  14. griff Says:

    did anyone catch the bible verse that ricardo was reading while in prison? it was the book of luke, but i couldn’t make out the verse.

  15. Wilson8or Says:

    Miner, I find it interesting that you posted about Darkness and light the day after this particular episode! Had it on the dome, indeed!
    I think that the “candidates” are all there for specific purposes, but that there really is only one actual candidate: Jack. Hurley is there clearly to keep people on track, since most of these characters’ have some dead person from their past that represents a failure of some kind. It seems he’s there to relay the messages from these failures, because they all know what could happen if MIB gets his way. Hurley has now “redirected” two main characters just in this season alone, and probably more in past episodes if I went back and analyzed.
    And what’s up with the sword/dagger that keeps getting passed around? I think that Sayid sticking MIB will still be in play later in the season, and that it had more impact on MIB than it seems.
    I love this damn show!

  16. Wilson8or Says:

    @Griff: I didnt’ make it out, but I’m sure it was an easter egg-laden bible verse. The Lost writers always bury nuggets of irony in those moments

  17. Wilson8or Says:

    And, here we are:

    Richard is seen reading the Bible opened to Luke Chapter 4, verse 37. In Chapter 4, Jesus has returned from his time in the desert, where he thwarted the temptation of the Devil, and attends Temple in Nazareth. As verse 37 approaches, a man with “a spirit of an unclean devil” challenges Jesus, who then summons the devil out of the man, much to the amazement of the those present.

  18. Wilson8or Says:

    Relevance? Just a little

  19. cwc Says:

    The Christian references are mounting too much to ignore. Def didn’t like the answer that it was hell. but the bible verse, adam and eve, evil in the garden of eden, evil being guarded by an “angel”, granting everlasting life. I’m sure I am missing some. Drank too much last night. Need to rewatch

    It is going to be an action filled 7 remaining episodes.

  20. HoJo Says:

    What does “Ab Aeterno” mean? For Eternity? So Ricardo is eternal… I can see why he would wish for that after the quick succession of near-death experiences that he underwent. How much you wanna bet that he dies by the last episode?
    I also like the connection between yesterdays episode and Miner’s write-up today… the Lost/Phish connection.. I think that they should roll the end credits to the Theme from the Bottom as the sunk island rises to the surface!

  21. Weekapaug Says:

    please tell me there is more to it. The island is hell? And that’s it? That’s what we waited 5 years for? There has to be more to it. It just seems so cheesy and predictable!

  22. HoJo Says:

    The island isnt hell…Its a cork.

  23. Mr.Miner Says:

    That was the series in a nutshell. I bet Mr. C was freaking out it was gonna all be a christian allegory….

  24. Mr.Miner Says:

    Miner, I find it interesting that you posted about Darkness and light the day after this particular episode! Had it on the dome, indeed!

    ^ I wrote after LOST 😉

  25. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    @HoJo
    Ab Aeterno is actually from eternity, which in the Latin really means from the beginning or outset. In the context here, I think they are saying “here’s where all of these shenanigans started”.

    for eternity would probably be Ad Aeterno, but that’s pigeon holing it a little since there is no real Latin preposition for “for”. Ad Aeterno literally translates as “to eternity” so you can see there is a slight difference though the intended translation would be accurate

    ::takes off Latin teacher hat::

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