L O S T: “Happily Ever After” Discussion Thread

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  1. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    hey, some people just know how to get shit done.

    as Fereday noted, some things about people don’t change between the timelines (like their intelligence or proclivity towards a certain thing). what changes are their choices. Thus, Minkowski is still a communications guy who knows how to figure out problems. the difference is that the problems he encounters in the alt timeline are different – not him.

  2. Lycanthropist Says:

    Im not sure I like the idea of the individuals getting to choose which reality they want.

    Its almost like cheating to me.

    Like if Jack wants to choose the ALT universe –
    What has he done to redeem himself in the ORG universe to be granted that right?

  3. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    @cwc

    here’s the painting

  4. Mr. Completely Says:

    I really don’t think everyone gets to choose separately. I think it’s all A or B. And I suspect they’ll have to make the choice to sacrifice their possibly-happier ALT timeline futures for the larger good.

    Note that in ALT timeline, Desmond still gets to be with Penny, maybe – but in OG-iverse, they already have a child…so which would he choose if he were being selfish?

  5. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    ^
    agreed, Mr. C. I think that individuals may want one timeline over the other but in the end it has to go in one direction or the other. that is the essence of the struggle going on here: whose “choice” will win out? that for the greater good or that for selfish desire?

  6. Lycanthropist Says:

    nice AW

    and you are probably right

  7. cwc Says:

    Eloise is a major player and seems to be trying to direct things for her selfish desire or Daniel being alive. She has directed Desmond multiple times now. She told Jack and co. how to get back to the island w/locke’s body. Not sure yet of whidmore’s motivation.

    Also interested to see if they revisit the role of the Dharma Initiative. Were they just a group in the long line of people brought to the island? It just seemed in early seasons that they played a much bigger part.

  8. Lycanthropist Says:

    whoops wrong thread

  9. Lycanthropist Says:

    i guess i shoulda gone with Eddie Vedder

    oh well.

  10. Lycanthropist Says:

    dammm

    having these two threads open at the same time.. its like there are two realities or something and they are bleeding over 😉

  11. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    you have to choose which one works for you, lycan. don’t let somebody else make your choice for you 😉

  12. Lycanthropist Says:

    i gotta pick the one for the greater good

    things are much more positive over here today though

  13. posternutbag Says:

    Do we know who Whidmore’s son that he lost to the island was? I assume this wasn’t referring to Faraday, since they had no connection in that reality, though I tend to get a little too baned for some of these episodes…

  14. Lycanthropist Says:

    poster

    Faraday was Widmore’s son in the original reality

  15. Mr. Completely Says:

    right, in the OG line, Widmore knew that Daniel was his son, but had no contact with him since he and Eloise ended up separate. There was a slappy scene with Widmore and Eloise that made that clear…or as clear as anything gets on this show

  16. Mr. Completely Says:

    if we can keep this thread footbell-free I’ll be happy

    not my favorite BB meme but I’m not a hater so just hoping it dies down over there…

  17. Lycanthropist Says:

    it will get old soon enough Mr. C

    of course I keep misreading footbell as “football”

  18. Mr.Miner Says:

    Do we know who Whidmore’s son that he lost to the island was? I assume this wasn’t referring to Faraday, since they had no connection in that reality, though I tend to get a little too baned for some of these episodes…

    ^ def means faraday.

  19. Mr.Palmer Says:

    count me in the anti-footbell camp. 🙂

  20. Mr. Completely Says:

    has everyone seen Josh Holloway singing?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuDXiTvwYMM

  21. KWL Says:

    damn what an episode.

    not fully processed at all.

    not sure it will come down to a ‘choice’, by desmond or anyone else. you still get the sense that he is a pawn in a larger game (i.e. what’s going on with Widmore and Eloise–we do not know where either stands, though Eloise is clearer now).

    his position now seems analogous to locke earlier–locke seemed to know more than others, he seemed to be ‘chosen’, etc… but turned out he wasn’t, he was just manipulated and eventually killed and inhabited by MiB.

    and is an action still a ‘choice’ if it is done b/c of the belief that it is one’s destiny? i.e., let’s say desmond ‘chooses’ to do something to save the island, but he ‘chose’ this b/c he believed he had no choice? muddies the waters a bit if things really do come down to a free will/destiny paradigm.

  22. KWL Says:

    also, I’m not fully convinced that in the end it will be one or the other, EITHER alt reality OR island reality.

    seems too easy and straightforward to just have one of them ‘win out’

    p.s. my last comment was at 4:20

    *bing*

    (take that messieurs C and P)

  23. Mr. Completely Says:

    “you still get the sense that he is a pawn in a larger game”

    i’m hopeful that by seeing both sides he’ll break free from that

    I’ve thought more about the one-or-the-other “wavefunction collapse” ending and I’m not convinced either but I do think it’s possible. If they’re really trying to base their plotting on quantum mechanics, they actually have two ways to go. One is the collapse to A or B. The other is the “many worlds” interpretation where each decision point creates a fork. Could go either way. But if both worlds exists, then what’s at stake? What’s to be lost if anything you lose exists in another timeline?

    They also might just be paying lip service to quantum mechanics and using it as window dressing when it works and ignoring it when it doesn’t – that won’t break my heart, but it’d be much cooler if they actually kept it rigorous and worked within the implications of the premise as drawn…

  24. Mr. Completely Says:

    certainly they are trying to manipulate him

    not sure it’s going to work

    some characters have broken free, like Sawyer

  25. Mr. Completely Says:

    a belief in destiny negates free will. Absolutely.

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