Monday, Monday…

10.31.09 - Indio (Photo: Graham.Lucas)

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Jam of the Day:

Ghost” 8.7.98 I

This whirling, melodic “Ghost” emerged after an early rain subsided at Walnut Creek ’98, providing a show highlight.

[audio:http://phishthoughts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/1-08-Ghost.mp3]

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DOWNLOAD OF THE DAY:

7.30.93 The Veranda @ Starwood Amphitheatre, Antioch, TN < Torrent

7.30.93 The Veranda @ Starwood Amphitheatre, Antioch, TN < Megaup

Pollock Summer '93

On the brink of August, Phish carried a month of momentum into Tennessee this evening, and it typical Summer ’93 fashion, crafted a beast.

I: Contact*, Llama, Horn, Uncle Pen, Stash, Esther, Chalk Dust Torture, I Didn’t Know, Reba, Cavern

II: Also Sprach Zarathustra > Tweezer, The Horse > Silent in the Morning, Poor Heart, Fluffhead, My Friend, My Friend, Golgi Apparatus, The Squirming Coil, David Bowie

E: Walk Away, Amazing Grace

*cuts in late

Source: Set I: Crown Stereo PZM Mic > Sony PCM DAT > SSL SBD > API EQ > Pultec Compression > DAT / Set II : Unknown

696 Responses to “Monday, Monday…”

  1. llamalee Says:

    @flarrdog, the best is the article of republicans and leukemia joining efforts to stop the health care bill

  2. voopa Says:

    Cash for your Greek extras!

  3. garretc Says:

    My left hand for your Greek extras!

    Hell, you can have the whole arm if it’ll help my cause!

  4. voopa Says:

    You don’t some stinky 6 foot long dismembered arm! You want my cash!

  5. garretc Says:

    Hey man, uhm, my left arm, it’s, well, totally not 6 feet! So there!

    Showed you voopa!

    *grumble grumble*

    *bong*
    (My footbell was getting testy due to neglect, had to whip it back out)

  6. kayatosh Says:

    whatever you do just don’t call me a kite

  7. garretc Says:

    Aight kaya, I won’t!

    voopa though… I can’t make any promises about that…

  8. voopa Says:

    Well I am pretty high-flying…

  9. garretc Says:

    Staying above the influence voopa?

    Really high above the influence?

  10. SillyWilly Says:

    Howdy, all!

    hope everyone is doing well.

    I’m always conscious of the fact that I often steer things deep on the board. I figure if people don’t want to go to deep they don’t have to respond, and please feel free to tell me to shut up if it’s getting old.

    Been thinking a lot all day about art and life.

    Just read @exree hip’s post on page 6 about art.

    I agree that the things he said weren’t Art, but they are art. Or, how about I use the word “creation?”

    My questions are these:

    Can we justify saying some art is better than others? (we have to, or else art will suffer)

    If we can, how do we do that? (How can we say Phish is better than Sister Christian? We know it’s true, but….how?)

    If we can say that some art is better than others what guidelines do we use to do this? Originality? Ethics? Rhetoric?

    I do think we HAVE to assign value to art. I think the philosophies and social atmospheres of the last 200 years are directly responsible for the state of art today (90% of art is crap. I guess 90% of art has always been crap…we can deal with this later)

    Today it is imperative that humans have the ability to analyze rhetoric and art. If you can’t analyze art then you are prone to being convinced of all kinds of bad things. We are constantly bombarded by rhetoric. Right now I am bombarding you with rhetoric, your TV might be on, the radio might be on, Phish is playing, your shirt has an advertisement on it, your reading the newspaper, etc. etc.

    This is starting to be a ramble. Im just thinking so much right now. What I’m saying is we have no a priori justification to judge art, just like there is no law of the universe which gives an ethical code.

    Nonetheless we must judge art, or we will be prone to being mislead.

  11. voopa Says:

    Not so much…

  12. (Formally Known As) BrandonKayda Says:

    Hey BB

    The Island Tour Weekapaug fits perfectly today. Beautiful out. Supposed to stay like this all week!

  13. Pencilneck Says:

    hey now

  14. voopa Says:

    ^^^ @ garretc of course. Sorry for any confusion Silly (or should that be [not very] Silly?)…

  15. Skyballs Saxscraper Says:

    All I will add to the Art Debate is this: Intent is paramount.

  16. voopa Says:

    My tour buddy has a great t-shirt. It reads, “Art Can’t Hurt You.”

  17. SillyWilly Says:

    I gotcha, voopa.

    I think Im exhausted from thinking about this anyway.

    Im gonna skip a few nights at the bar, and buy the Island Tour from LivePhish…is this a good idea or should I just get an aud?

    it seems like I should really do it right from the way everyone loves them?

  18. (Formally Known As) BrandonKayda Says:

    Silly –

    Don’t worry about it. You are one of my favorite voices on this site for that very reason. I love to hear your views on things I am honestly not very well-knowledged in.

    This art topic, for example, is very interesting to me. I cannot put it in to words as well as you do, but I can understand what you are saying.

    Art = creation to me, or anything outside of the norm that is unique and interesting to one person. Then again, what counts as “unique” to one person may be bland to another, so it is really all subjective. Judging and comparing art though, is harder to do. As you said with the Phish-Sister Christain example, there is no way to say that one is better than the other, for it is all subjective. That is what makes art as great as it is, it means something different to every person and there is no right or wrong way to do “it”

    But my question is, if somebody makes art with the intention of emulating another artist/stealing their style, does that still make it art? If it is not original, then can’t it just be seen as a copy of something or another trend? That is what I wonder with most mainstream music in today’s society. In my opinion, the originality is taken away and in its place is trends that will eventually fade away into something else

    Will mainstream music ever “break the mold” again from the dull, monotonous, auto-tuned drivel that is playing on the radios today into something new and unique?

    That brings another question though, how do you make something completely unique? Everything has to be simular to something right?

    Anyways, I too, am rambling now, so I will conclude my thoughts. Anyways, I just thought I try to compare thoughts with you. Let me know what you think.

  19. voopa Says:

    Oh, and on an earlier subject, the Reuben and Cherise from my first JGB show (5/2/92) was the shit…I’ll have to see if the recording does it justice.

    Quittin’ time, see y’all in a bit.

  20. Mr.Palmer Says:

    @Marshall if your out there- took your advice the other day and called Apple. Brought my Imac and old Cpu in. 5 hours later i’m home with Imac with all my files transferred and everything set-up perfectly. free of charge. Don’t doubt Steve jobs- he rules the world!

  21. SillyWilly Says:

    @BK

    Thanks for your kind words. I really respect you, too, for your curiosity and your zest for trying new things out. Im not much older than you I think Im only 8 or 9, and it’s obvious to me that if you continue your pursuit of knowledge like you do then you are destined to do some cool things with the next few years of your life. Sorry, don’t mean to sound like a big brother…

    True originality is hard to come by. My views on originality come mostly from Marxist theorists, Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer, who wrote an essay called The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception

    http://www.mariabuszek.com/kcai/PoMoSeminar/Readings/AdornoHork.pdf

    Their thesis is that mass production of artistic media is hurting art. For example, the prevalence of the 3 minute song was a result of the producers trying to make production as cheap as possible to maximize profit. Adorno and Horkheimer say that the best way to fight this problem is to use media that are hard to replicate on a mass level. Phish fits this perfectly 1. because they allow trading 2. because a show can never be reproduced again.

    Another good read is Jorge Louis Borges’ “Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote.”

    don’t know if you have a ton of time to read, but maybe this summer?

  22. SillyWilly Says:

    Also, BK,

    one thing that I try and keep in mind as I think about things like this: Try and inform yourself with as many different perspectives as you can.

    Don’t just read what’s presented to you in school.

    Read women.
    Read chicanos/as.
    Read queer.
    Read Asian.

    Take Post-Colonial classes, take Marxist classes, take Medieval classes, take math classes, take art classes, take economics classes.

    talk to everyone you can, talk to your mom and dad, talk to your siblings, talk to people from different classes when you can, talk to people at school that you might not like…

  23. Chuck D Says:

    dont let school get in the way of your education.

  24. cal Says:

    Evening, SW! I always seem to jump onboard two seconds after you leave for class. You know I’m always up for falling off the deep end. We found this place because of Phish; we keep coming back…also because of Phish, but in support of the community as well. Enhancing the community=enhancing yourself. Bring it on!

    BTW, my buddy who will be accompanying us to DC>Alpine has offered up his minivan, in case you wanna give your vehicle a rest.

    Also, did I ever mention the upcoming Yeasayer show to you? I’m going, April 28th, Majestic. I believe tix are 12 bucks and I’m pretty confident that it’s going to be awesome.

    (hijack over)
    *kling*

  25. SillyWilly Says:

    I’m not sure yet exactly how the DC>AV thing might be working for me. If I have to work until Thursday at lunch I’ll obviously have to drive because you guys will probably be leaving before me.

    If not, then yeah that will be great!

    Also, Ill grab a Yeasayer ticket for sure. It’ll be a great break from studying. Do you need a place to crash afterwards?

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