Fall Forecast: Vegas Baby?

Las Vegas 2010?

While Phish has yet to play a single note of summer tour, rumors are already circulating about what they may do come fall. And right now, the whispers are all talking about a three-night return to Las Vegas during the second week of October. If this happens, Phish would return to face the city that has come to symbolize the beginning of their demise in 2004. But at the same time end, Phish in Vegas is a tradition like none other. There’s nothing quite like spilling out of Thomas and Mack, wide-eyed onto the strip, as the night has just begun. An annual rite from ’96 moving forward, Sin City hosted many memorable Phish shows, and if the whispers are correct, three more are coming down the road.

Vegas 2000 Poster

While a stop in Vegas may seem surprising given the sober, family-oriented vibe of the band these days, returning to Vegas may be a way for Phish to right the wrongs of ’04, and they know there is no better locale for their fans. Regardless of reasoning, it seems that Phish may once again visit the neon desert oasis before too long. Apparently, these dates would be in conjunction with an appearance at Austin City Limits Festival, this year taking place between October 8-10. So if one were to hazard a guess, Phish would hit Vegas the following weekend of October between the 14th and 17th. Going purely on speculation here, perhaps the band would then head west for a run up the coast after these rumored dates in the desert. One can only hope.

And in other overheard mumblings…It sounds like the Holiday Run will shift back up north to Madison Square Garden this year, after two consecutive appearances in Miami. And maybe – just maybe – Indio may present itself as an option for Halloween again, after the original dates conflicted with Austin’s festival. Obviously we are be getting way ahead of ourselves here, but sometimes, as Phish fans, that’s what we do. And with less than a month left before Chicago’s summer kick off, what better way to kill some time.

What do you think?


Jam of the Day:

Sand” 12.13.99 II

This Providence rendition is one of the most adventurous “Sands” during the song’s peak era of December ’99. This remaster comes courtesy of Paul Shapera.




10.21.94 Sunrise Musical Theatre, Sunrise, FL < Torrent

10.21.94 Sunrise Musical Theatre, Sunrise, FL < Megaupload

A Sunrise In Florida (M.Lilly)

This nugget from Fall ’94 with a non-stop second set goes out via reader request to Gavin’s Dad.

I: Fee, Down with Disease, Foam, The Mango Song, The Old Home Place, Stash, The Lizards, Dog Faced Boy, Run Like an Antelope

II: Also Sprach Zarathustra > Mike’s Song > Simple > Mike’s Song > I Am Hydrogen > Weekapaug Groove, Sleeping Monkey, The Curtain > Fast Enough for You, Scent of a Mule. Slave to the Traffic Light

E:  Sweet Adeline, Foreplay/Long Time, Cavern

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672 Responses to “Fall Forecast: Vegas Baby?”

  1. Mitch Says:

    if you use part two of my flac to itunes scripts on a mac it will convert from wav to mp3 on the fly while adding it to your itunes.

    kinda snazzy jazz if i do say so myself.


  2. flarrdogg Says:

    Mitch- That is cool, but what I’m curious about is what is the benefit of pulling flacs if I’m going to turn around and make them mp3s? Why not just download mp3s? Or am I missing something? Is the sound quality still superior with flacs even after the conversion to mp3 takes place? Is there a benefit?

    Thanks in advance for the knowledge.

  3. Mitch Says:

    a few diff answers.

    1. flac is lossless so it sounds better
    2. the reason for my scripts is because a lot of the sites only offer flac for the audiofiles and i got tired of pressing the same buttons
    3. some people convert to wav and burn to disc while putting the mp3s on an ipod for example

    if you just want mp3 in the end and there is a link available. just get the mp3

  4. Kenny Powers Says:

    There is truly nothing quite like listening to an amazing Phish jam for the first time…like, a jam that happened years and years ago that you never got a recording of.

    I just spun the DWD from 6.15.00. Holy fucking crap, that is an absolute masterpiece of rediculous proportions. There’s a section about 2/3’s through the jam where they sound like the soundtrack of a demented theme park. Outstanding! Then the last 3 minutes or so of the jam….it’s hard to find words, but it’s just this really hypnotic, almost Far East (duh) sounding ambient fade where Mike is dropping such thick notes and Trey and Page are dotting the soundscape with specks of feedback-ish awesomeness…Fish just laying it down super smooth.


    God bless etree, hard drives, and super fast internet.

  5. halcyon Says:


    Flac is useful for archival purposes. If in 5 years someone requests a certain show….say 11-28-09, and you have the .flac files and associated metadata with that show, you can seed it to etree. I converted mine to .wav so I can play them on my ipod. I am not an audiophile by any means, but can convert them back to .flac from .wav. If you want mp3’s you can convert them to .mp3, and not keep the .flac files, but you can not convert them back to .flac.

  6. Luther Justice Says:

    If mp3s weren’t so convenient for on-the-go listening, I’d never mess with them. The sound compression bothers me. When in the confines of the palacious Luther Justice estate, I go for highest quality possible. In fact, I’ve decided to make the move to HD when at home.

  7. flarrdogg Says:

    I understand that flac is lossless and sounds better- I can definitely tell the difference with an aud recording. It just seems so damn inconvenient to have to use a separate player/ portable device to accommodate the files.

    So… if I pull flacs off of btree, convert them, and put them into itunes, they are no longer lossless, as they are now mp3 (or mp4a or whatever it’s called) and I have lost quality? I’m trying to phase out discs. Will it be more convenient/ easier in the future for lossless?

  8. Kenny Powers Says:

    another thing worth mentioning – keeping FLACs is also very future-proof in that lossy encoding technology is ever-evolving and will keep getting better, so if you have the storage space you might as well keep the FLACs as a “master” copy that you can continue to convert to the lossy format of your choice down the road….

    i shoot all my photos in RAW. RAW is to FLAC (well, WAV really) as mp3 is to JPEG. JPEG is a lossy photo format. If you keep the RAW files, you insure yourself in a way because digital photo-processing software keeps evolving. If you shoot in JPEG only, you’re leaving it up to your camera’s puny CPU to process all the data and you’re stuck with that forever.

  9. Kenny Powers Says:


    i’m thinking that as hard drive space gets cheaper and cheaper, maybe etree will post shows in full WAV, and it will be no big deal to keep everything in WAV because space will no longer be an issue. Or maybe not.

  10. flarrdogg Says:

    haly- wav>itunes>ipod? Or is there a way to go wav>ipod and forego itunes? I’ve always converted and added to itunes.

  11. Luther Justice Says:

    My love of flacs has led to having 4 external hard drives, but I feel better about my collection making it into the future. Those of us old timers already got burned on cassettes. Damn technology advancements!

  12. halcyon Says:

    Flarr….I usually go from flac -> wav via traders little helper -> itunes -> Ipod.

  13. Mr.Palmer Says:

    I’m with you Flarr, the whole thing seems insane to me. I do almost all of my music listening one of three ways: Ipod (headphones). Ipod (Bose sound dock), or thru my Mac. Since i don’t have a fancy home system, i’m pretty sure i’m wasting HD space and time by doing the whole flac thing. Certain shows and sources i will, but not everything. I’m ok with Mp3. I must not have a very discerning ear.

    Don’t get me wrong, I do hear the difference, but its not enough of a difference to warrant using up 3x as much HD space per show.

  14. Mr. Completely Says:

    “Just so I’m clear on this whole flac/mp3 thing- True or False: It is pointless to download flacs if you’re going to turn around and put them into itunes because that process just reconverts them to mp3. ”

    true AND false

    if you’re going to convert them to MP3s, then TRUE – it’s pointless. Except if they’re low bitrate MP3s in which case you can make better ones yourself.

    but iTunes doesn’t have to do that conversion at all. I import to iTunes as WAV and then create MP3 as required. Which format it imports as is just a setting.

  15. Mr.Palmer Says:

    Thanks for that little tutorial Mitch, i bookmarked it for future reference.

  16. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    Only issue I ever had with the whole Aron Ralston thing was that it all could have been avoided if he had even just told one person where he was headed. Yeah, I know, easy to say what he did wrong but that’s like rule #1 when going into backcountry situations. Doesn’t matter how experienced you may be, nature will find ways to show you just how insignificant you really are.

  17. flarrdogg Says:

    LJ- What program do you use to play your flacs? I feel you on the tapes. I still have several hundred in my attic (lost some in Hurricane Katrina) and won’t part with them- even though they sound something like this:

    hhsssssssssttttttttssssssshhhh “something something peggy-o hhhhhssssssssttttttttttsssss

  18. Mr. Completely Says:

    you can put WAV or at least AIFF on an ipod (via itunes) but they eat the HD space on the ipod

  19. Mr.Palmer Says:

    Habs 2- Pitt 0- what an upset this would be. Wow.

  20. Chalkdustin Says:

    “Habs 2- Pitt 0- what an upset this would be. Wow.”

    ^Don’t jinx it Palmer. I’m starting to down some brews to ease the pain already…..

  21. Luther Justice Says:

    I play the flacs on my computer through VLC media player or convert them to wavs for my stereo using “burrrn”. With external HDs being so cheap nowadays, I don’t care about space. I want the fuzzy feeling of knowing my flacs are there for my archive for future use.

  22. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    I tried to be all retro cool on the drive from Boston to Hampton last ear by busting out a bunch of tapes. We hadn’t even made it past CT when Mrs. Disorder made me go back to the iPod because of all of the hissing and popping and low levels. Not sure what the hipsters see in that sound

  23. Luther Justice Says:

    Have you watched any of the HBO series Treme? I started watching it a couple weeks ago and love it. Having been a resident of NO, I thought you might dig it.

  24. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    Not ear

  25. flarrdogg Says:

    Mr C- When I add Wavs to itunes it doesn’t switch them to mp3? Therefore, I am better off (quality wise) if I go wav file> itunes than I would be by going mp3 file> itunes? I’ll stop hijack after this question.

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