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91 Responses to “L O S T: “What They Died For” Discussion Thread”
great comments, everyone! one question: in spite of the “chalk on the cave” explanation for the names being crossed out, are we still to believe that the “rules” prevented Smokey from killing the candidates?
And it was/is so great to have Ben back in the middle of things, as mysterious as ever. I can’t get enough of him.
@ Miner – can we get the Final Episode Lost Discussion Thread opened up Sunday evening please? Since THIS is IT, and there will be no more afterwards, I wouldn’t mind making a post or two during commercial break, a la Live Stream.
having trouble wrapping my head around this and am hoping yous can help me make sense of this:
jacob has always insisted that smokey must be prevented from leaving the island at all costs, otherwise all hell willl break loose. yet if we are to believe that the alt-reality is what happened when he left (based solely on the fact that we know the island is underwater), then how can it be that the outside (non-Losties) world looks the same and the losties are all on their way to redemption? was jacob wrong? did smokey just want to relax in a new environment? or is smokey waiting to bring his fury to the concert when everyone is together? and is there any truth to the rumor that trey will be sitting in at the show?
last point: while sayd, sun and jin dying didn’t get to me too bad (guess i knew we still had them in the alt-reality), i did get choked up seeing how genuinely moved ben was when he learned what an impact he had on alex.
top notch acting all around this week (and season)!
are some people suggesting that the island is underwater not b/c smokey got off and destroyed it, but instead because in order to prevent him from getting off, someone makes the ultimate sacrifice to destroy the island (and with it, smokey)? if so, it does seem like that is something ben would do, especially if it meant reaching his destiny/redemption with alex and rousseau.
yeah, my thought is that basically it’s either A or B as you describe. Either jacob is wrong and destroying the island and the light are a Good Thing because it makes the alt-world the “real” one, where things are better and karma has been cleared, or destroying the island is what it takes to whack smokey, with the same end result as above.
however, I still suspect the real answer is going to be C – The Thing We Haven’t Thought Of
^ The only way I think it could work is if those of us who wanted to do this agreed to watch it at the same time, and it would obviously have to be west coast time. Seeing as I’m in Milwaukee, there’s no WAY I can wait that long, and I’m assuming you east coasters are on the same page. Or miner would have to set up 4 different threads, and I’m assuming he’ll be steeped in LOST all weekend 🙂
Man, my two favorite shows going out on back to back nights. Gonna sting.
I just realized, going back to our Ben/Widmore/MiB discussion that the lack of free will can often be seen as what leads to evil in this show – that is, a lot of characters either do bad things b/c they think they have to, or out of anger over not having choices.
^it leads to evil in life. Think of WWII and German/Japanese/Russian soldiers (even though the Ruskies were our allies) and what they did to the people they captured.
Now, think of the kids in my brother’s high school class who all shaved their heads when one of them had to go through chemo.
And we can go on and on and…
We always have a choice, even when we don’t think we do. It is what separates us, for good or ill.
What does it have to do with lost? Ben has always made the evil choice. I hope you guys are right about him, I just don’t buy it yet.
Actually that was a puppet Yoda in Episode I who said that line about fear. CGI Yoda didn’t show up until Ep. II. I have heard they are going to replace the puppet from Ep I with a digital version for prequel trilogy consistency, since the new puppet they used for Ep I doesn’t really look like Yoda otherwise.
@bright light,
I think that when we see the island underwater we are to assume that the bomb went off in the ‘past’ just as we saw at the end of the season, and that the island has been destroyed ever since then (we see the dharma camp all set up with seaweed on it, so it def. existed in that reality up until the losties went back in time and joined dharma). I think that we are to assume that the detonation killed smokey along with everything else on the island and thats why everything is ok in the ‘real world’… smokey never got off in this alt. reality,… which is why the alt. timeline may soon become the real timeline since smokey is already destroyed… just an idea there.
and T3, I def. see your point about the con being a theme, and i think we have to ‘chalk’ it up to semantics and say that we’re basically saying the same thing here, i think that the ‘con’ is a fantastic way to show the choices of good and evil, because its not (as i mentioned) always a con to the person pulling it, its just trying to do what they think is ‘right’ and either telling other people the details or not trusting them… so yea, semantics… either way, fucking great… so excited. who think it ends with a drum circle and kumbaya?
great comments, everyone! one question: in spite of the “chalk on the cave” explanation for the names being crossed out, are we still to believe that the “rules” prevented Smokey from killing the candidates?
And it was/is so great to have Ben back in the middle of things, as mysterious as ever. I can’t get enough of him.
@ Miner – can we get the Final Episode Lost Discussion Thread opened up Sunday evening please? Since THIS is IT, and there will be no more afterwards, I wouldn’t mind making a post or two during commercial break, a la Live Stream.
having trouble wrapping my head around this and am hoping yous can help me make sense of this:
jacob has always insisted that smokey must be prevented from leaving the island at all costs, otherwise all hell willl break loose. yet if we are to believe that the alt-reality is what happened when he left (based solely on the fact that we know the island is underwater), then how can it be that the outside (non-Losties) world looks the same and the losties are all on their way to redemption? was jacob wrong? did smokey just want to relax in a new environment? or is smokey waiting to bring his fury to the concert when everyone is together? and is there any truth to the rumor that trey will be sitting in at the show?
last point: while sayd, sun and jin dying didn’t get to me too bad (guess i knew we still had them in the alt-reality), i did get choked up seeing how genuinely moved ben was when he learned what an impact he had on alex.
top notch acting all around this week (and season)!
wait, to possibly answer my own question –
are some people suggesting that the island is underwater not b/c smokey got off and destroyed it, but instead because in order to prevent him from getting off, someone makes the ultimate sacrifice to destroy the island (and with it, smokey)? if so, it does seem like that is something ben would do, especially if it meant reaching his destiny/redemption with alex and rousseau.
@light –
yeah, my thought is that basically it’s either A or B as you describe. Either jacob is wrong and destroying the island and the light are a Good Thing because it makes the alt-world the “real” one, where things are better and karma has been cleared, or destroying the island is what it takes to whack smokey, with the same end result as above.
however, I still suspect the real answer is going to be C – The Thing We Haven’t Thought Of
@not tom marshall,
Problem is the time zones. I am east coast and will be seeing the show 3 hours earlier than Mr. Miner.
So i don’t think it really works until Monday morn. Or At least until after Mr. Miner watches…..
It just seems that this final episode warrants more than just “day after” discussion. Maybe there’s a way… hmm.
^ The only way I think it could work is if those of us who wanted to do this agreed to watch it at the same time, and it would obviously have to be west coast time. Seeing as I’m in Milwaukee, there’s no WAY I can wait that long, and I’m assuming you east coasters are on the same page. Or miner would have to set up 4 different threads, and I’m assuming he’ll be steeped in LOST all weekend 🙂
Man, my two favorite shows going out on back to back nights. Gonna sting.
I just realized, going back to our Ben/Widmore/MiB discussion that the lack of free will can often be seen as what leads to evil in this show – that is, a lot of characters either do bad things b/c they think they have to, or out of anger over not having choices.
Here we go bro’s, lets do this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb0QKgNNmCU
^it leads to evil in life. Think of WWII and German/Japanese/Russian soldiers (even though the Ruskies were our allies) and what they did to the people they captured.
Now, think of the kids in my brother’s high school class who all shaved their heads when one of them had to go through chemo.
And we can go on and on and…
We always have a choice, even when we don’t think we do. It is what separates us, for good or ill.
What does it have to do with lost? Ben has always made the evil choice. I hope you guys are right about him, I just don’t buy it yet.
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to………..SUFFERING, as says CG Yoda says.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_YHV5fdUiQ
Sawyer remix
Actually that was a puppet Yoda in Episode I who said that line about fear. CGI Yoda didn’t show up until Ep. II. I have heard they are going to replace the puppet from Ep I with a digital version for prequel trilogy consistency, since the new puppet they used for Ep I doesn’t really look like Yoda otherwise.
@bright light,
I think that when we see the island underwater we are to assume that the bomb went off in the ‘past’ just as we saw at the end of the season, and that the island has been destroyed ever since then (we see the dharma camp all set up with seaweed on it, so it def. existed in that reality up until the losties went back in time and joined dharma). I think that we are to assume that the detonation killed smokey along with everything else on the island and thats why everything is ok in the ‘real world’… smokey never got off in this alt. reality,… which is why the alt. timeline may soon become the real timeline since smokey is already destroyed… just an idea there.
and T3, I def. see your point about the con being a theme, and i think we have to ‘chalk’ it up to semantics and say that we’re basically saying the same thing here, i think that the ‘con’ is a fantastic way to show the choices of good and evil, because its not (as i mentioned) always a con to the person pulling it, its just trying to do what they think is ‘right’ and either telling other people the details or not trusting them… so yea, semantics… either way, fucking great… so excited. who think it ends with a drum circle and kumbaya?
Lost in 25…..watching this preview has me fired up….don’t think I have ever been connected with a TV show like this…
Hope the weekend was great.
Have Fun BB!