More Type II Trivia

11.20.09 (W.Rogell)

Last week’s contest seemed to be fun for the whole family, so let’s get in one more round before tour starts next week! The rules, re-posted from last week, are as follows:

Phish’s jamming has often been described in layman’s terms as ‘type I’ (contained jamming that adheres to song structures and chord progressions) and ‘type II’ (open jamming that leaves any semblance of the song it came from). Today’s game centers on Phish’s open jamming. Below are ten audio clips – each a few minutes long, and here is the task. You can gain 3 points per audio clip – 1 for identifying the year, 1 for identifying the song, and 1 for identifying the date – for a total of 30 possible points. The winner will win their choice of a “TAB and the Tabernacle” CD or Mike Gordon’s “Moss,” to be delivered in the near future. Please email your entries with ten numbered lines, one for each guess. All entries must be emailed to by 7 pm pacific on Friday (tomorrow) night. If multiple entries nail a perfect score, the earlier entry will take the prize. Without further ado, here are the audio clips. Good Luck!


6.27.10 (G.Lucas)

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8.7.10 (W.Rogell)

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6.16.09 (B.Kisida)

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Jam of the Day:

Bathtub Gin” 7.21.97 I

Here’s some funk to unwind from those crazy audio clips.




9.30.1995 Shoreline Amp, Mountain View, CA < Megaupload

9.30.1995 Shoreline Amp Mountain View, CA < Torrent asap

Shoreline '95 (T.Mosenfelder)

Fifteen years ago today, on Trey’s birthday, Phish visited Shoreline at the front end an extensive fall tour that would end in Lake Placid in mid-December.

I: My Friend, My Friend, Cars Trucks Buses, White Rabbit Jam^, Reba, Uncle Pen, Horn, Run Like an Antelope, I’m Blue, I’m Lonesome*, Sample in a Jar

II: Runaway Jim, The Fog That Surrounds, If I Could, Scent of a Mule, Mike’s Song > Keyboard Army, Weekapaug Groove > Suspicious Minds** > Hold Your Head Up, Cavern

^band chess game introduction, * acoustic, dedicated to Jerry Garcia, **debut

E: Amazing Grace, Good Times Bad Times

Source: Unknown

736 Responses to “More Type II Trivia”

  1. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    I am a 97 Funk kind of Kid
    hmm… where have I heard this before?

    agreed on 7zip. great free zipper.

    hilarious stuff earlier from pham b and willowed. I know more about willowed now than I did before that and I’m not sure that should be considered a good thing.

    this-> “I lose the power of verbs.”

  2. vegas wolfmans Says:

    Great stuff today, fellas. Just read back and y’all were on fire today.

    Seamless transition from discussion on morning drinking to discussion on child rearing. I love this place.

    The Greek shows are magnificent and hold up on tape IMO- been listening back after an extended phish-listening hiatus since Alpine Valley.

    Best shows of 3.0 (in no particular order):

    Gorge 8/7/09
    Red Rocks 7/31/09
    Deer Creek 6/19/09
    Albany 11/28/09
    Indio 10/31/09
    John Paul Jones 12/05/09
    Miami 12/29 & 12/30
    Chicago 6/11/10
    MPP Run
    ATL 7/3/10
    Greek Run
    Deer Creek Run
    Jones Beach Run

    Greek 8/7/10 and Gorge 8/7/10 are tops IMO- not coincidentally I was in the mix for both. MORE WEST COAST PHISH!!

  3. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    that 12.28.93 show was my first ever phish nye run show. i’ve been lucky to have had many more since. that was the tour when they had the fish tank stage design that was in the disease video. I got right up about 2-3 rows back in front of page (I’m starting to realize that I have traditionally gravitated that way when I have the choice). it seemed like such a big crowd at the time.

  4. plord Says:

    @Palmer Here’s the thing with Zero:
    * Yes it’s Kimock, his main band for most of his life in California, and the band with which he wrote more than 60% of the original material he still plays.

    * Early on, Kimock was the second guitarist, because the main man was John Cippolina. Not many tapes exist but that stuff was the heat. Check this one:

    * A couple people played Bass early on but by the late 80s it was Bobby Vega full time. The man is a funk monster.

    * Saxaphone from Martin Fierro, who played with Jerry in LEgion of Mary and on a few GD shows in 73 (for some reason 9/21/73 Philly comes to mind)

    * So far it’s an utterly choice lineup, right? Killer players with mad skills.

    * Keys was a hot seat, Pete Sears held the chair for a while, then Chip Roland came on board playing mostly Hammond. Chip took some vocals too. A competent but not earth-shattering player, I have to say.

    * Greg Anton on drums – weak link #1. Before Def Leppard, Greg was the original one handed drummer, Mickey Hart created a special drumstick holding prosthetic for him and you’d almost never know it wasn’t his real hand. But Greg was a straightforward 4 on the floor rock drummer and honestly his chops held the band back in several ways in my opinion.

    * Weak link #2 – So, for the first I dunno, 10 years the band played 100% instrumental shows, 3-6 hours of screaming guitar and sax jamming. Then they got Judge Murphy to sing for them, and Robert Hunter wrote some songs *specifically* for Judge. Picture a hulking longshoreman with a full on porn-stache and a gravelly whiskey baritone. That’s Judge. I grew to enjoy Judge over time because it was clear that he was 100% pure, no bullshit, exactly “that guy”, playing so perfectly to type that there was no way he was faking it. Then right when I’d accepted him for what he was, he’d open a show with something like “I like my woman a little on the trashy side” and you’re like “No Judge! No! Bad Longshoreman!”

    The material varies from $$$ (Kimock instrumental originals, jazz covers of La Fiesta and Afro Blue and Nefertiti) to $$ (Most of the Hunter stuff) to $ all the way down to _ (Trashy Women, etc.). For a good “whole show” that I saw, 8/17/96 at the Fillmore is great: or to dip your toe in check out the Golden Road and It’s up to You from this show

    Their shows sometimes had a weird flow, where the meat of the song was kind of meh and then the blowing section would rule. Anytime Bobby and Steve were both having a good night the jams were smokin’. They usually alternated between Steve and Martin solos though, only a few tunes had a full band improv section.

    They took *for fucking ever* between songs, no, imagine a long pause, double that, add some dicking with equipment time, a few minutes of ribald banter from Fierro, another pause, some tuning, a false start…then the next song. It was ridiculous and stays ridiculous on tape.

    They usually started late too, but when that happened, Wavy Gravy usually came out and did his bit which I always enjoyed.

    When Chet Helms and Boots re-started the family dog at the Maritime Hall in the mid 90s, Zero was the unofficial house band and played there monthly. Guaranteed $$ time, with occasional $$$.

    Kimock’s bands since then:
    KVHW – $$$ more often than not. Vega on bass again. Sense a theme?

    SKB – $$$ with Vega on bass, $$ with anyone else. The brief experiment with Arne Livingston of the Living Daylights (Jessica Lurie’s 3 piece groove jazz outfit) was superb, and Rodney Holmes on drums is always a treat and pushed Steve to write some very different kinds of tunes, much more rhythmic weirdness. Check out 12/29/2001 and 12/29/2004 for two great shows. 12/29 again. It’s the magic date.

    Crazy Engine: Only $ most of the time for me. It’s great to see Melvin, it’s a down home good time with old friends, Kimock’s son is becoming an excellent drummer, Steve always kills me, but for whatever reason these shows aren’t transporting me like his other lineups. The one exception was when, wait for it, Vega sat in on bass last year for an “all request show” at the Fillmore. Check THAT out for sure,

    Sorry so long…

  5. garretc Says:

    So I came to the conclusion last night that I have listened to a woefully small amount of New Years run shows, so my project today has been to DL all of the ones I’m missing, which is, well, pretty much all of them…

    And ideally I’ll listen to ’em all before my first NYE run, which is approaching, although not nearly as quickly as I’d like!

  6. plord Says:

    Whoops, Palmer I have a lengthy rundown on Zero for you but it’s in moderation. Not sure how I got w a x e d 🙂

  7. jdub Says:

    Nice collection of shows there Wolfmans.

    Deer Creek over Alpine for leg 2 this year? I really liked DC 1 set 2. A list is made for debate so I would put Hartford 8/14/09 and the MSG run over Albany and 12/5/09. But I was in the mix for those so…. Totally agree on top 2 shows of 3.0

    And after reading back today I too am totally impressed by the parenthood discussion. A very relevant topic for me with a 3 and 1 year old. Some great parents on the BB.

  8. Mr.Miner Says:

    Martin Fierro also played at my wedding 😉

  9. Mr.Palmer Says:

    thanks plord! That was a great read. I’ll grab a couple of those shows and give them a whirl.

  10. butter Says:

    Martin played my wedding too

  11. plord Says:

    I miss Martin a lot.

  12. Kevin Says:

    @vegas wolfmans

    Nice. That Charlottesville show is pretty underrated, in my opinion. So there weren’t a lot of big heady jams, but still: the band was tight as shit that night.

  13. sumodie Says:

    C-ville was a smoking show, with and w/out naked dude

  14. Tzara's Ghost Says:

    Wait a minute, butter and miner are married?! This place is too much 🙂

  15. Tzara's Ghost Says:

    Oh, and @miner, trying to get your discs in the mail in the next day or two.

  16. yematt Says:

    motherfucker. was about to text my friend, who is picking me up from the denver airport for the broomfeild shows, what time i will be arriving on the 10th. so i go to check my confirmation email from priceline and it’s 11:40pm when i thought it was 11:40am. arg!!! so frustrated!!!

  17. Mr.Miner Says:

    i have a friend trying to move some single Phish bobblehead if anyone is insterested. if so, shoot me an email and I’ll get you in touch with the bobblesource. They are great, I have a set on my mantle. Unfortunatly Page is sold out, but there are Mikes, Treys, and Fishmans for 35 each. But if you buy more than one it will be less…

  18. Robear Says:

    Miner, u going to ACL?

    ‘DWD’ opener?

  19. butter Says:

    that sucks yematt, but at least you caught it now, instead of finding out on your travel day

  20. Stupendous a.k.a The Beasel Says:


    Is there anybody Out there?!

  21. Stupendous a.k.a The Beasel Says:

    change that shaight asap Yematt

  22. Stupendous a.k.a The Beasel Says:

    Page is prob sold out cause his bubblehead had him downing a hot pocket!
    who could resist?

  23. vegas wolfmans Says:

    I loved the telepathy Kimock shared with Rodney Holmes. SKB with Holmes and Arne Livingston is my favorite SK project.

  24. dognamedwilson Says:

    Always reppin the late nite bb.

    Just nod if you can hear me/ is there anyone at home?

  25. Stupendous a.k.a The Beasel Says:

    yup yup

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