The Festival Buzz

Watkins Glen, New York

The Watkins Glen rumor mill got some strong spins this weekend from two conflicting sources. On Saturday,, a blog based out of New York state, poured gasoline on an already-burning fire by claiming that Phish had signed contracts in place for an 8 set, 3 day Phish-only festival. This report came as a tremendous relief for Phish fans, many who had feared, based on last-week’s speculation, that the band’s festival might be encroached upon by the unwanted scene of The Dave Matthews Band. But as soon as Phish fans began celebrating and discussing summer plans, there came a retort.

Yesterday, Watkins Glen Racetrack President, Michael Printup, publicly denied these reports in the Elmira Gazette saying:

We don’t know who is putting that out. There are a bunch of erroneous sites out there. We’ve been working with a concert promoter. But we don’t even have a contract. It’s all wishful thinking. We haven’t even signed a contract with a promoter. You do that first. Then it’s up to him to see what band he gets…Watkins Glen International is looking at some kind of summer concert, but it’s too early to even start talking about bands.

But when Hidden‘s Scotty B reached out to Peter Stergion of BandsThatJam for clarification of their report, Stergion was quick to stand by his story. Stergion explained:

The WGI President has to deny the story. They can’t publicly confirm until all the loose ends have been tied up. Our source has given us credible, specific information. Our source is not a Phish fan so they wouldn’t even have the ability to make up the information which is very consistent with what Phish has done in the past.

While not getting any more specific on their, allegedly, rock solid source, Stergion went on to defended his report to Hidden Track:

We publish stories based on good information from good sources. We take a look at the circumstances of the information and decide whether or not it’s credible. In this case we believe this will happen so we published it…We never heard DMB mentioned by anyone in person or any sources from within Watkins Glen. We’re confident that Watkins Glen will be a Phish-only festival.

10.31.09 (G.Lucas)

Well, we’ve heard both sides of this hot topic, and while I am leaning towards believing the report of a Phish-only festival, who can know for sure? The Phish at Watkins Glen rumors have circulated for quite some time now, but a true scare came last week when The Dave Matthews Band, who shares a management company, announced 4 multi-day, multi-band festivals around the country this summer. The feared crossover of the Phish and Dave Matthews scenes seemed imminent, and plenty of people were quick to voice plenty of reasons why that was not a good idea. But let’s not even go there. Hopefully, that disaster has been averted. If such an atrocity ever materialized, be sure I’ll weigh with my two cents.

But for now we will wait…and wait. Phish announced their entire 2010 Summer Tour in March last year, but in 2009, they dropped their first set of dates in January and their second set in March. In short, we could hear any day between now an April. With both Trey and Mike about to kick off their own tours, one might guess that Phish wait until they are done to tell us their summer plans. But then again, who knows? Surrounding hotels (of which there are few) and RVs have already been booked around the Watkins Glen area based on buzz alone. And if I had to guess, 8 sets over 3 days sounds just right to end a tour. One can hope…


Jam of the Day:

Ghost” 7.23.97 II SBD

A seminal Summer ’97 version.




7.23.1997 Lakewood Amphitheatre, Atlanta, Georgia

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The third show US Summer ‘97 capped a comic-book opening to US Summer ’97. Following Virginia Beach and Raleigh, Phish moved down to Atlanta and funked hard in their second visit to the venue. With, perhaps, the hottest “Ghost” of the summer and a smoking “YEM” the band left some legitmate jams in Atlanta, and they were off to Texas at the beginning of a revolutionary summer season. This show goes out via Twitter request to @LacobbieWan! (If you’re on Twitter, follow me @mrminer)

I: Julius, Dirt, NICU, Dogs Stole Things, Ginseng Sullivan, Water in the Sky, Limb By Limb, Split Open and Melt, Billy Breathes, Possum

II: Punch You in the Eye, Ghost > Sample in a Jar, You Enjoy Myself > Rocky Mountain Way* > Chalk Dust Torture

E: Frankenstein

Notes: *Debut, Joe Walsh cover

Source: Schoeps CMC641 > Sonasax > SBM-1 > DA-P1

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1,063 Responses to “The Festival Buzz”

  1. gratefulcub Says:

    Where do 2 million people on the streets, that have serious cultural issues with public nudity take a piss?

  2. EL Duderino Says:

    Good Question…

  3. Mr. Palmer Says:

    10/21/95 set II- next in the dvd player.

  4. guitarpicker420! Says:

    @silly – I think its no coicidence that the Leviathan is published 3 years after then end of the 30 years war. The 30 years war was the most deadly war fought on European soil up until World War I. The effect of that war, which while beginning as a war between Catholics and Protestants, but evolving into a war between those that wanted to see the state and religion linked and those who opposed this view, was the notion that religion and the state were not compatible. This view is enshrined in the Treaty of Westphalia and both Locke and Hobbes lived through the entirety of the war.

  5. neemor Says:

    “Where do 2 million people on the streets, that have serious cultural issues with public nudity take a piss?”

    ^ This is why I love this place.

  6. guitarpicker420! Says:

    El Baradei has more support than you might imagine. He was widely viewed as a potential Presidential candidate in the last election prior to Mubarak making it clear that no serious opposition candidate would be tolerated. That said, the US needs to steer clear of the election, except to offer support to make it fair and free.

  7. EL Duderino Says:

    damn g420 laying down for all to see

  8. guitarpicker420! Says:

    What can I say, I have an MA in European History and I read the Economist every week.

  9. EL Duderino Says:

    he US needs to steer clear of the election, except to offer support to make it fair and free.-g420

    yeah, right.

  10. gratefulcub Says:

    The problem is that no matter how free and fair an election for president is, when he takes over, he will be in charge of a system that is identical to the system of a week ago. It will not turn into a free democratic republic.

    That only happens after several peaceful transfers of power

  11. EL Duderino Says:

    goin’ to hell in a bucket… but at least I’m enjoying the ride

  12. gratefulcub Says:

    “El Baradei has more support than you might imagine.”

    It was quite unfair of me to compare him to a douche like Chalabi.

  13. guitarpicker420! Says:

    @gc – you are right about that. However, Egypt has a technocracy, and established institutions, albeit the tools of an authoritarian state. However, those institutions can be converted to a democracy with far more ease than a complete anarchy like Afghanistan. In fact, if the jack-asses who ran the interim government in Iraq hadn’t dismantled every institution, our job of nation building would probably have been much easier.

  14. EL Duderino Says:

    dismantled or looted g420????

  15. guitarpicker420! Says:

    if we were looting Iraq I don’t suppose it would have cost us as much as it has. When Paul Bremer dismissed the entire Iraq army, basically he lit the torch for the insurgency. Nothing like firing a whole bunch of people with guns and then banning them from employment in the government (so called de-Baathification). So yeah, I’d say dismantling is the right word.

  16. DukeOfLizards Says:

    Drive-by: HUGE thanks to everyone who was pimping the 1995.12.02 Tweezer this morning, I’ve been trying to find that version ever since it was a JotD many moons ago.

  17. gratefulcub Says:

    gp420, I like each and every one of those points.

    Afghanistan is nothing like the others. It is a country stuck in 800 a.d. with cell phones and AK 47s.

    The wild card in any of these situations of removing a despot, is the military. If there is a power vacuum, they become the institution that has the structure and power to fill it. Fortunately, (i believe) this is a military that is not more radicalized than the civilian population, which could help out immensely. Unlike Pakistan, who has a military that is friendly with the Taliban, and has a nuclear arsenal. Which is why, while I agree with W very infrequently, keeping the strongman in power there might be the bad situation, but better than anything else we could have done at the time.

  18. joe Says:

    just when I think the funk-era groove wasn’t my favorite, the jam of the day makes me reconsider.

  19. SillyWilly Says:

    right, GP420

    We’re getting all history nerdy, here, but it’s fun…

    but if the church and state weren’t supposed to be linked, why did Britain use religion as a motivating force for colonization and slavery? All of it during the 1600s.

    The 30 Years War began as a religious struggle, but it continued as a political war for the political control of germany. Clearly religion took a back seat as France sided with the Protestant to make sure Germany stayed weak.

    Also, yes, Locke and Hobbes lived through the 30 Years War, but their theories use the protection of property as the justification for the state…

    Again, because without the state protecting their property they had no chance of upward social mobility.

    in modernity religion becomes the excuse. I don’t believe the 30 years war resulted in the modern secular state, I only think it was the first conflict where modernity reared it’s ugly head.

  20. gratefulcub Says:

    Yeah, we didn’t loot Iraq, we just left the backdoor to every house open and allowed them to loot it.

    GP420 – that is one of those situations where I’m tempted to agree: if we hadn’t done this that and the other, things might have been different. But, the other side of me says, things would have been different, but only marginally better. The premise was flawed. You can’t blow a place up, occupy it, and make magic happen.

    Like communism. We didn’t destroy the Soviet Union, the best we might have done was quicken it’s demise, the system was fatally flawed.

  21. gratefulcub Says:

    GP and SW, I am not going to even attempt to catch up on your side convo (because I’m not going back and reading Locke or Hobbes tonight 😉 But I will butt in to make one comment:

    The people deciding to wage war are never doing it for religious reasons, but they always use religion as a tool to get the people to fight. Ok, not always, but it is the most popular form of “the other”.

  22. gratefulcub Says:

    “just when I think the funk-era groove wasn’t my favorite”

    That’s silly talk Joe, silly talk. Go Cats! 😉 Josh says hi.

  23. guitarpicker420! Says:

    Afghanistan is just a mess, no doubt about it. Pakistan’s interest in Afghanistan though, has as much to do with strategic thought vis-a-vis India, as any interest in the Taliban. Again, the nuclear arms in Pakistan are strictly for use against India, though it is clear we cannot allow nuclear arms to fall into the hands of radical Islamists (hence somebody is going to have to bomb Iran, though it better be Israel and not us). The military in Egypt has, thus far, shown remarkable restraint (rubber bullets and tear gas, mostly) but I think it is because a mass uprising like this, which clearly expresses the opinion of a great majority of Egyptians, is going to be reflected in an Army that is drawn from those same people. The issues will usually revolve around a core “Pretorian” group, rather like the Republican Guard in Iraq (though they proved more bark than bite).

  24. EL Duderino Says:

    “Yeah, we didn’t loot Iraq, we just left the backdoor to every house open and allowed them to loot it.”-GC

    That is exactly what I was trying to get at.

  25. guitarpicker420! Says:

    Anyway, gotta go get hammered before my boilers whomp the badgers and keep themselves in the Big Ten hunt!! Boiler UP!!!

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