The Influence of Webcasts?

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Phish announced yesterday that they will be webcasting their two sold-out shows from Lake Tahoe on Monday and Tuesday next week. Fans from across the nation—and the world—will be able to tune in to the twin bill for only $24.99, exponentially increasing the 7,000 person audience with a virtual cast of thousands. But is this a good thing for the integrity of the show? Does a show being webcasted alter the band’s performance? Does it change the way Trey arranges the setlist in his mind? Maybe so, maybe not.

One thing we know for sure is that thousands of Phish fans get to enjoy a pimped-out couch tour experience when Phish drops a webcast, and that is certainly a huge positive—that much is a given in this discussion. But is the show that fans watch on widescreens at home the same show that would have gone down were they not wired in? One would hope that the band wouldn’t “play to the webcast,” but at times, it seems that this happens. Often favoring anthems, bustouts, and a moving setlist, webcasts in this modern era don’t always translate to huge jams.

7.3.11 (G.Lucas)

The last two webcasted shows—Alpharetta’s two-night stand—didn’t turn out so great. Though the first night boasted some highlights, the only musical adventure over two shows came in “Disease,” and the only other jam that moved outside the box over four sets was “Light Up or Leave Me Alone.” Fun shows? Sure, but dwarfed by most nights of tour. “What about MSG?,” one might ask? Well, there were some jams here and there, but other than “Tweezer,” “Sand,” “Ghost” and “Simple,” there wasn’t a hell of a lot left to go over. But in that case, the webcast and the inherently planned-out nature of a New Year’s Run, collided in some glossy—though entertaining—sets.

The issue with webcasted shows during this era of sobriety is that the band has yet to truly let themselves go—without caring what might come out—in front of a pay-per-view audience. Aside from 12/30’s “Tweezer” and 1/1’s “Simple,” just about every jam from MSG possessed a certain linear quality, only seldom flirting with transcendence. Trey, we all know, still battles his mind (and band members) cutting off jams through this past tour (albeit far less often). Do webcasts just add something else to think about, causing him to consider what the people at home want to hear? I don’t know, but when he cut “Tweezer” for “Julius” after a monsoon in Alpharetta, one had to wonder if he wanted to get in more songs and why.

7.3.11 (G.Lucas)

Perhaps all of these conjectures have no bearing in reality. Perhaps it is mere coincidence that the past five webcasted shows weren’t exactly drenched in improvisational adventure. Or, perhaps there would have been a jam in the first or third set of New Year’s Eve were it not for the pay-per-view performance. Hopefully, the Tahoe shows will blow up and  dispel any connection between webcasts and mediocrity. I’ll be the first to admit it and cheering them on. But all of a sudden, the intimate 7,000 person Lake Tahoe shows don’t feel so intimate, especially when your buddies from the east coast blow up your phone with texts as they watch along with the show that you traveled across the country to attend.

Even if the webast never affected the music, does it not effect what is sacred about a Phish show? Shows are irreplaceable experiences that happen at one time in one place. Should people be washing dishes and putting babies to sleep at setbreak? Trust me, I support the inclusive feature of the webcast, but does it cut into what is cherished about a Phish show if kids across the country are ripping tubes while watching “Tweezer” with a soundboard feed? The technology of the future is great. Or is it?


Jam of the Day:

Harry Hood” 9.11.99 II

Another Gorge highlight to bring us through the week.


1,898 Responses to “The Influence of Webcasts?”

  1. DryIceFactory Says:

    Segue from Meatstick to Boogie on is savagery.

  2. c0wfunk Says:

    any of you heard of pink froyd by chance??

  3. EL Duderino Says:

    Blue Floyd not Pink Froyd

  4. Mr palmer Says:

    Giddy with anticipation that I get to catch the last 2 of this leg… Indoors no less. Gonna get gnarly in that shithole.

  5. EL Duderino Says:

    UIC Pavilion is pretty decent. I’m sure it’ll be a great 3 night stand

  6. DryIceFactory Says:

    People in the hoodstream chat last night kept trying to claim a “plinko” jam in Boogie On that was non-existant. I found it funny.

  7. c0wfunk Says:

    this mr. miner thread on pt is pretty amusing. Kudos to sumodie for getting in the mix over there.

  8. kayatosh Says:

    I’ve learned to embrace the meatstick. this one happens to be great w/ an attempt at a jam at the end. $$

  9. c0wfunk Says:

    so yeah i think like an 8 year old but I literally lol’d when I read “embrace the meatstick”

  10. halcyon Says:


    Taylor C’s source sounds pretty good.

    Out for a bit off to yoga

  11. kayatosh Says:

    “Segue from Meatstick to Boogie on is savagery.”

    you thought it was rough. I say not terrible. but questionable boogie placement, though. instead of boogie something dark and down out of that meatstick – drop the tweezer right there.

  12. halcyon Says:


    friend was there last night and just texted me saying the same thing you did re msmw glad to hear you had a blast.

  13. kayatosh Says:

    love a meatstick with a jam at the tip.

  14. DaNcInG fOoL Says:

    Last night’s r n r prob the best jam ever by phish. Amazing show

  15. Mike in Austin Says:

    “I’ve learned to embrace the meatsick”

    ^Thanks for the juvenile laugh.

  16. c0wfunk Says:

    oooh “best jam ever” nice

  17. c0wfunk Says:

    hmph stupid phone won’t play flacs on winamp. Anyone got an mp3 source (v0 vbr pref)

  18. Mike in Austin Says:

    On the road. Woot.

  19. DukeOfLizards Says:


  20. DaNcInG fOoL Says:

    and I haven’t even heard a note yet!

  21. willowed Says:

    New post!

  22. kayatosh Says:

    they get successfully lost in the boogie jam and find themselves in that same bethel boogie space. Once there, they decide not to repeat the bethel boogie deconstruction and instead roll into farmhouse. nice tune w/ quality trey solo.

  23. angryjoggerz Says:

    got an hour to chill at home solo, packing for tahoe, anyone want to tt a bit?

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