Retro Post: Exploring on the Eighth

8.15.11 - UIC Pavilion (Michael Stein)

Today, I’ll let my blog do my work for me. Here’s a link to last year’s December 8th installment of December jam memoirs, a series of posts in which I tracked the calendar using Phish jams. The intro is below.


Exploring on the Eighth

Today, our December focus shift onto two sprawling excursions that took place on the eighth day of the month in 1995 and 1999. Both selections — Cleveland’s “Tweezer > Kung > Tweezer” and Cumberland County Civic Center’s “Piper” — feature musical explorations that veer far off the beaten path, providing snapshots of the band’s experimental side as seen through the lenses of 1995 and 1999…Read On!


Jam of the Day:

Piper > Dog-Faced Boy” 12.8.99 II

Part of a stellar second set at Cumberland County Civic Center in Portland, Maine. Read about it in the article linked above.



VIDEO OF THE DAY: “Jennifer Dances” 12.7.99 II

One of the three December ’99 performances of the much-maligned tune. I’ve always wondered, “What’s not to like?”

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513 Responses to “Retro Post: Exploring on the Eighth”

  1. Guyute711 Says:

    Well, ole Rick is right about a couple of them lol

  2. DaNcInG fOoL Says:

    awesome @jtran

  3. garretc Says:

    Maybe the best part about that Rick Perry ad? Check the jacket he’s wearing, then look at this picture and compare:

    Oh irony, you’re so funny sometimes!

  4. JeffieM Says:

    SBIX Simple>Bug still doesn’t suck.

  5. tela'smuff Says:

    it’s interesting to hear how GBOTT, Sand, Jiboo have all become absolute ragers now compared to their former selves back in ’99.

  6. MrCompletely Says:

    wars from the American Civil War to WW2 were all essentially won by manufacturing capacity and bulk expendable manpower. Espionage and information control were also critical. Operating theater strategy and battlefield tactics basically determined how long it would take to get to the outcome and what the cost would be, not the outcome itself.

    US Grant figured that out and made the clever maneuvering of Lee et al irrelevant with his grinding, attritional, industrial style of war…go ahead and dance, clever fella, he said; I can lose 3 for every one you lose, and I will still win.

    The main non-industrial factor in the outcome of WW2 was Hitler’s delusional nature that led him to attack Russia.

    worth noting that WW2 was also “good” for Communism at least as much as it was for capitalism since it led directly to the formation of the USSR and set the conditions for the Maoist victory in China

  7. Mike in Austin Says:

    I agree C. Nobody thought that guys like Grant could care so little for his men, that he would just pile the bodies up, for others to be able to crouch behind to use as shields.

  8. Dr Pronoia Says:

    So basically hitlers meth addiction was the key, C?

    That and who can waste the most human lives while remaining productive at home?

    Wow, I need to go spin that box set slave to keep the suicidal thoughts at bay…

  9. garretc Says:

    I’m actually shocked that there’s isn’t a hardcore band named “Hitler’s Meth Addiction”, or at least an album…

  10. EL Duderino Says:

    i’m sure some Norwegian Metal Band has used it already

  11. Mike in Austin Says:

    America had/has an impressive ability to get access to raw materials that it would take to create tanks, jeeps, ships, etc.

    I think that Hitler, truly underestimated Canada and the US’s ability and skills in being able to mobilize, and put together manufacturing facilities capable of pushing out the number of bombers that we did.

    Basically the ability to totally change our production mode from butter to guns.

    Hitler was building his armies and manufacturing over years. It takes years to build glass plants, and refineries, and boilers, etc. Even if you had a mountain full of copper (Bingham Canyon Mine in Salt Lake, i’m looking at you) it isn’t just turning on a switch.

    It takes a certain … resourcefulness.

  12. garretc Says:

    That whole post was just a set up for that joke, huh Mike? How long have you been sitting on the punchline? Years?


  13. MrCompletely Says:


    that is basically it

    there were very few battlefield pivot points that could have altered the actual outcome. The only strong argument I’ve read is for Dunkirk. If the British had lost their army, the Germans might have invaded them successfully in the aftermath, but that’s highly debatable for technical reasons (supply lines, etc).

    The key elements that determined the outcome were Russian manpower (effectively unlimited) and weather, US industrial output, and bad decisions by Japanese leaders and Hitler to engage these vastly disproportionate opponents.

  14. tela'smuff Says:

    12/8/99 Yamar, deep deep bass from Mike. standout 14+min version.

    hear a lot of First Tube jamming in these ’99 Winter jams.

    also, a very patient FEFY in this show.

  15. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    is there such a thing as an impatient FEFY? 😉

  16. MrCompletely Says:

    @MiA’s point goes to how idiotic the pearl harbor attacks were

    the US population was very much not into the whole war thing before that

    after that, everone was incredibly motivated and the entire nation’s industrial output was dedicated to war production…apparently it was like flipping a switch in the national mass psychology

    oddly, Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, the architect of the Pearl Harbor attack, knew this. He had toured Texas oil fields and Detroit auto manufacturing plants and knew that Japan would be crushed in any extended war

    his goverment directed him to go to war anyway and so he did his best

  17. voopa Says:

    That book about Los Angeles that I’m almost through, City of Quartz, mentions how Kaiser revolutionized steel manufacturing on the West Coast in Richmond and Fontana in the 40’s, to the point where they were cranking out warships at an insane rate (forget the exact numbers). But then Kaiser diversified too much and fell behind in the 60’s and 70’s. Interesting stuff.

  18. Mike in Austin Says:

    Garret, if there was anyone who would get it, I knew it would be you.

  19. MrCompletely Says:

    ok really sorry for extended historical lecturing. gotta roll.

    peace….and I mean that

    I learn the history of war hoping to learn how it might be avoided

    war is hell

    I hope we never really see one

  20. Lycanthropist Says:

    Whats happenin BB

    Finally got my actual box set in so i can hear it on my stereo and its not the mp3 versions i downloaded from livephish.

    Can’t wait.

    Have heard both the Hampton shows, but would you believe never listen to the winston salem show?

  21. Dorn76 Says:

    Just nodding along with the smarts on display here…

    Came home to a big ass owl perched over the swamp back behind my lawn. Almost never see them though we are treated to their calls from time to time.

  22. garretc Says:

    Dorn, I hope you didn’t finally see the owl because you were out looking for owls?

    That’s a dangerous hobby, I hear…

  23. Lycanthropist Says:

    my feeble attempt to steer the convo back to more enlightened subject 😉

  24. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    rut roh

  25. tela'smuff Says:

    TIII – this particular version of FEFY, Trey lays way back on his solo, before the buildup to end the song. it’s unique to most versions i’ve heard.

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