Retro Post: Exploring on the Eighth

8.15.11 - UIC Pavilion (Michael Stein)

Today, I’ll let my blog do my work for me. Here’s a link to last year’s December 8th installment of December jam memoirs, a series of posts in which I tracked the calendar using Phish jams. The intro is below.


Exploring on the Eighth

Today, our December focus shift onto two sprawling excursions that took place on the eighth day of the month in 1995 and 1999. Both selections — Cleveland’s “Tweezer > Kung > Tweezer” and Cumberland County Civic Center’s “Piper” — feature musical explorations that veer far off the beaten path, providing snapshots of the band’s experimental side as seen through the lenses of 1995 and 1999…Read On!


Jam of the Day:

Piper > Dog-Faced Boy” 12.8.99 II

Part of a stellar second set at Cumberland County Civic Center in Portland, Maine. Read about it in the article linked above.



VIDEO OF THE DAY: “Jennifer Dances” 12.7.99 II

One of the three December ’99 performances of the much-maligned tune. I’ve always wondered, “What’s not to like?”

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513 Responses to “Retro Post: Exploring on the Eighth”

  1. Mike in Austin Says:

    Absolutely Voopa. We had the best, and newest production in 1940. Highest technology on the planet. Then we fell under the illusion that an old 1940’s based mill, that was completely paid off, while not being efficient, was better than investing the billions it takes to make new mills.

    And maybe moreso, once you had a 1940’s mill in Richmond, CA or a refinery, getting permits in the 60’s to build a new “current” refinery was almost impossible. So the companies limped along, not modernizing, knowing that eventually, someone would build a new refinery that would put them out of business. Just a matter of time. But you did with what you had. Made minor adjustments to the process.

    China’s major advantage, is that if they want to build a plant (Semiconductor or Solar) requires 1000’s of permits, some taking years and years. Solar, produces over 500 industrial pollutants, some so damaging and caustic, they have to be built onsite, because nobody wants them shipped via rail, they are so dangerous)

    They are building a new solar plant in KY right now, but it’s rare.

    In China, they point to an area on a map, and say “Build it here. If you have to move the people, then move it.”

    That’s why all manufacturing is moving to China. Everything else, IMO, is a ruse.

    China has ZERO externalities.

  2. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    “That’s why all manufacturing is moving to China. Everything else, IMO, is a ruse origami mustard.”

    I think that reads better.

  3. Lycanthropist Says:

    Speaking of dangerous hobbies:

    Reading comments by Phishies anywhere but phishthoughts.

  4. Mike in Austin Says:

    And China has access to cheap raw materials. Because (in the Russian wood case) they are stolen.

    100’s of railcars a day of wood, is illegally logged, and shipped to China, and the border “guards” are bribed. All this illegal logging is not environmentally “conscious” either.

    Chances are good that if an item sold in the United States was recently made in China using oak or ash, the wood was imported from Russia through Suifenhe. Because as much as half of the hardwood from Primorski Krai is harvested in violation of Russian law—either by large companies working with corrupt provincial officials or by gangs of men in remote villages—it is likely that any given piece of wood in the city has been logged illegally. This wide-scale theft empowers mafias, robs the Russian government of revenue, and assists in the destruction of one of the most precious ecosystems in the Northern Hemisphere.

    As you can tell, I have lots of opinions. Most are probably wrong though.

  5. garretc Says:


    You ventured down into the comments of the glowstick war post too?


  6. voopa Says:

    A solar plant was just built about 2 miles from my house. Wonder if I can tap into that…

    Lycan, thanks for the reminder. Just ordered Hampton/Winston-Salem for myself. And of course, I had to catch up and get the Utica and Alpine DVDs. Yay petroleum!

  7. Mike in Austin Says:

    Well placed Oragami Mustard T3. Well played.

  8. Lycanthropist Says:

    yeh garretc

    good lord… i can’t believe these people are into the same band i am.

  9. Lycanthropist Says:

    of course i have also said:

    good lord… i can’t believe these people are IN the same band i am

  10. EL Duderino Says:

    Astro Glide – best petroleum product eva

  11. EL Duderino Says:

    …if it is actually made from petroleum

  12. Jtran Says:

    This VTech story is crazy..sounds like at a routine traffic stop a 3rd party “ran up” to the vehicle and shot the police officer doing the stop.

  13. Lycanthropist Says:

    that is some craziness

  14. tela'smuff Says:

    i can’t imagine what that was like for Mike to have to play the same bass line in Sand for 18 mins or more, depending on the jam. Trey got to have all the fun with that one back in ’99 and ’00.

  15. garretc Says:


    I mostly agree with you, although Mike willingly busts out his share of multi-minute repeated bass lines during jams, so he clearly doesn’t mind to an extent…

    But yeah.

  16. Phamily Berzerker Says:

    May have extra pair to 12/28….

  17. sumodie Says:

    And China has access to cheap raw materials.

    Over the past several years China has been slowly buying overseas mines and hoarding (access to) raw materials around the globe

    especially the rare materials like silicon & lithium(?), key raw materials for electronics

  18. BingosBrother Says:

    Esteban is looking PB.

  19. joe Says:

    Cbs news says fuck fracking tonight. Bb ahead of the news cycle by light years.

  20. sumodie Says:

    “The B List: 10 Best Live Archival Releases of 2011”

  21. sumodie Says:

    PB, HHood is also looking for 12/28 I believe

  22. joe Says:

    I’d take last dibs on 12/28 tickets. Way too much uncertainty in my life to do anything but take it one day at a time with my lady

  23. BingosBrother Says:

    I’m living vicariously through you joe. don’t do this to us.

    I believe Esteban also pulled the trigger on plane tix today w/out having tix yet. Paper Rock Scissors duel commencing noon tomorrow.

  24. Mr. Palmer Says:

    I think Esteban was coming in for the 29th and 30th. Don’t quote me though.

  25. joe Says:

    I wouldn’t wish this life on anyone right now bingos – vicarious or otherwise. Some others on here you could have more fun with I think 🙂

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