The Jam of Summer

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Phish – 9/1/12 “Light”

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  1. kayatosh Says:

    yes, voopa. you can approach art appreciation from 2 different angles. In the case of music,

    1) pure listening experience — how does this jam sound w/o knowing anything else other than what I’m hearing; and

    2) listening w/ context in mind — this sounds good but it sounds twice as good knowing that trey was playing w/ a broken leg while on shrooms in iceland.

  2. MiA Says:

    Last post for awhile, but I think all the Tweezers in Leg II were way way above average for 3.0. Surprised that acknowledged Tweezer Hounds like AW aren’t pamping them all more.

    But when Dick’s Tweezer hit, I was 100% in the moment, just KNOWING that it was gonna impress me. And it did. Great great version.

  3. Mr. Palmer Says:

    It may not affect your enjoyment one way or another, but there is a story behind every piece of art, whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you.

    I’m curious and like to know details. It makes it more real for me. That’s me. Knowing Trey decided and learned DSoTM an hour before the show enhances my listening experience to that show. Now there is a true “wow” factor involved. There are hundreds of examples.

  4. Gavinsdad Says:

    “I agree AW. I felt like Phish said “We finally agree internally. We really do like to jam and we want to be a jam band again.””

    ^right on Mia. This is what I tried to get at the other day…but I likened it to peeling back layers of the onion to a place where they remembered who they “were” as a band. I always thought emotional stuff got in the way.

  5. kayatosh Says:

    “but once you know it can you ever see it the same again?”

    great philosophical question. But the answer is probably no.

    Another philosophical question: In a world where we could chose to know context or not, would we voluntarily chose to know it or just appreciate the art on its face for what it is?

    Of course, date, venue, circumstances, and history matter and are interesting, but do we need them to appreciate art?

    Palmer: So you might spin Phish’s DSoTM and think “OK, fair to good,” but then you learn that Trey learned the album an hour before the show and you respin DSoTM. Do you truly enjoy the music more on the respin or are you simply enjoying the story behind the music?

  6. dorn76 Says:

    As long as the brewmaster keeps his junk out of the product, it shouldn’t matter one bit.

  7. Mr. Palmer Says:

    It makes me appreciate the music more, absolutely. It doesn’t change the technical playing, but live music isn’t all about technical playing, is it?

  8. kayatosh Says:

    dorn, you are funny. thank you.

  9. Mr. Palmer Says:

    FTR- I’m not going to change my mind. Context in music matters to me. Doesn’t “change” the actual notes, music. But the stories and scenes behind a song being written or a performance is something i’m always curious about and can certainly enhance the experience for me. And that is the last I’ll say on that.

  10. Bwana Says:

    Good summary of the conversation @kaya. No need to beat this thing to a pulp — I think we all get what each other is saying… I guess what it comes down to for me is your #2. I think that is what Palmer is also saying…

    The reason I love this band is bigger than just the jams… It’s also the stories that go along with them — some that I’ve experienced personally alongside the band over the years. Stories that elude to the band tapping into something larger than ourselves that influences the music and is channeled through the band and us…

  11. DaNcInG fOoL Says:

    man is the measure of all things. i only half believe in anything i say on here, i just like to have a dissenting opinion to stir the pot and get people to actually think about opposing views. of course context can add to the appreciation of music. for example velvet sea from conventry. knowing the context there adds a ton of emotion. but then at the same time there’s something like denver carini. sure we can all listen to it and go wow, that was only the third song, first set! but you play that for someone who doesn’t know anything about phish and they love it and then you tell them the context and they go “so, what’s that got to do with it? they can’t jam at the beginning of a show?”

    it’s all subjective kids.

  12. renaissance79 Says:

    Lots of interesting stuff going on here…my gut tells me that context is an integral part of the experience. I continually wonder if music truly is the universal language…even more so after reading that article about the guy with the new hearing aid listening to music for the first time. Unless humans have an inherent understanding of harmony/dischord, on-tempo/off-tempo you would think there preferences in music must be based on context. For instance, how do you describe the color white without putting it in some sort of context?…the absence of color…the color created when combing all the colors of the rainbow in the form of light. Without context doesn’t everything become an indistinguishable baseline?

  13. tzara's Says:

    Damn this kind of stuff is my bread and butter, been reading back. Unfortunately on my phone so have to brief it up. I like the context angle, think it adds a lot. In wine, the story informs the pleasure for sure. In a great wine, when you taste a “place” it gives much more pleasure the more you know about that place. If you’re a geek that is, which I expect is the audience here ;).

    I’ve told a couple friends that Dick’s is the best Phish in years, but I’m hesitant to throw those shows down first because I’m concerned that without “context” ie what the band had been doing during the past year or more, the profundity of the Denver shows would be lessened.

  14. renaissance79 Says:

    DF-kudos on the “Top 10” with only one show you attended. Exemplary objectiveness. May your future Top 10’s hold more!

  15. Mr. Palmer Says:

    Nice Tzara’s! Wine appreciation is a great example. Glad you brought it up.

    Going to a local vineyard and hearing the grower tells his story, about the land, the weather, the vines… It certainly enhances the tasting experience

  16. tzara's Says:

    Also @ dancing fool, I like your top 10 list, I made 8 of them despite not seeing that many shows. Because I’m a prescient genius? Nope , it’s because west coast Phish rules. Attn: posterkid!

  17. DaNcInG fOoL Says:

    never skip denver phish!!

  18. kayatosh Says:

    palmer: not trying to change anyone’s mind. And I appreciate the philosophical discussion. There’s no right here. respect.

    For me, the greatness of the Fukoka show is not enhanced nor diminished by my knowing the band may have ingested shrooms prior to performing. It is simply fun trivia, and i love it probably as much as the next guy, but it doesn’t change my impression of the music.

    I posit that sometimes contextual information can be a distraction to an accurate assessment of the artistic quality. Of course, what is an “accurate assessment” when it comes to art. It’s all subjective to a degree.

  19. DaNcInG fOoL Says:

    @r79, if i made a top 10 shows list i would probably have been at close to half of them. UIC 1, Bethel 2, Miami 2/3, DTE, SF 3

  20. Phishm0610 Says:

    took a break from football and really like the topic. Just have one thing to say @ren. You stated that music is truly the universal language. I agree on the fact that music includes beats and rhythms that speak to anyone. What speaks is the movement, beat, synergy of the music. You can’t count a beat without math. I view math as the universal language which can be used to communicate with anyone. Math is fact and does not get lost to interpretation. Music on the other hand is perceived through the ears of the listener. How they take that rhythm and process it in their brain, which in turn tells the rest of your body how to dance, feel and perceive the music. And of course personality. This is all math. My 2 cents.
    and Phish is the toughest calculus teacher I’ve ever had. Except for Jerry, but that’s apples and oranges.

  21. DaNcInG fOoL Says:

    wow didn’t realize gorge ’09 sally is over 17 mins

  22. tzara's Says:

    Word. Taking Mrs TG made next year a slam dunk. Perfect experience.

  23. Phishm0610 Says:

    one other thing. I think context is important when the music is OK.
    When the music is like it was at Dick’s it speaks to anyone. IMHO.
    I could hear the shows from Dick’s, and not know where or when the shows were played, and still love those shows.

  24. kayatosh Says:

    “Unless humans have an inherent understanding of harmony/dischord, on-tempo/off-tempo you would think there preferences in music must be based on context.”

    now you’re talking about something different — how the notes relate to each other or a certain section of a song w/in the context of the whole.

    I thought we were talking about circumstantial, non-musical context, e.g. it was trey’s birthday or fishman had tacos for dinner.

  25. renaissance79 Says:

    All great thoughts Kaya-our dialogue here is much more interesting than a finite point

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