The Jam of Summer

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Phish – 9/1/12 “Light”

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1,167 Responses to “The Jam of Summer”

  1. MiA Says:

    I need Antonio Gates to run in every touchdown for SD.

  2. renaissance79 Says:

    Phishm–thanks! I’m not a huge football fan…but I like intelligent thought provoking conversation.

  3. renaissance79 Says:

    Kaya-you debating or discussing? seems like more of a “discussion” but maybe I’m just splitting hairs

  4. kayatosh Says:

    oh crap. Is it looking like I want to win? If so, my apologies. just enjoying the discussion.

    bwana: live show experience and appreciation on playback are two different animals for me. I don’t think my view on these matters — that contextual information is nice but not critical art appreciation — leads to the conclusion that seeing live shows is a superfluous.

    ren: Not hypothetical. Many times I spin phish on shuffle and get jams from different shows, even different eras. After I take the time to check the date, or even learn of the lore surrounding the show or song, my impression of what i just heard is not affected. E.g., I don’t like a jam more or less simply b/c i learn it was from 2012 and not from 1993.

  5. kayatosh Says:

    palmer: nice one.

  6. renaissance79 Says:

    OIC…we’re differing on the how many layers of influence we are looking at. I can understand this in the limited context of your specific example…but when a sick CEP jam comes on aren’t you still influenced by your previous experiences with other CEP jams?…no matter how objectively you listen…how about subconscious…the mind is a complicated place

  7. Mr. Palmer Says:

    It’s Dick’s week on SiriusXm JamOn btw .. It’s been Dick’s week here for a a while now..

  8. MiA Says:

    Kaya is a conniseur too. He’s pretty practiced in taking out “non-relevant” information and just getting down to the essence. So when he says “$$$ Tweezer” I know it’s not because he’s just pamping his own show. He has integrity towards neutrality.

  9. kayatosh Says:

    “but when a sick CEP jam comes on aren’t you still influenced by your previous experiences with other CEP jams”

    ^^^ to a degree, of course. but i thought we were talking about contextual information distinct from the sensory impression of the art, such as temperature the day of the show or what was ingested by the artists or artistic intent.

  10. ren Says:

    Taking a cue from MiA and shortening the handle

  11. MiA Says:

    Ray Lewis is the man.

  12. kayatosh Says:

    Thanks, Mia. I tend towards fluffage, but I like to think i spend enough time listening to phish that I know the cream when it touches my lips versus regular phish milk.

  13. Phunky58 Says:

    hmmm best jam of entire tour?? definitely going to have to listen again.. its up against some serious competition. no doubt it is top 5 tho if not best.

  14. SillyWilly Says:

    You guys are having the classic structuralist vs. Poststructuralist argument right now.

    If you guys want to have some fun (and blow your mind a bit) try and honestly see where you come out.

    And trace the many structuralists who decided there really was no structuralism – only post-structuralism. Roland Barthes, for example. Cool dude.

    All of a sudden you’ll find yourself in the middle of all the big philosophic debates of our time.

    And you’ll be completely in awe of how the great theorists could contain all of your perspectives in quick 5 or 6 page essays.

    At least, that’s what happened to me

  15. MiA Says:

    My cats breath smells like cat food.

  16. Phishm0610 Says:

    me too ren. and agree with MiA. kaya knows his phish.
    A little back and forth is good for the discussion and these eyes.
    I like it when I have my mind made up and then one you guys states something that makes me think about my first decision. That leads me to want to hear the jam again. That leads to new discoveries in the music that I initially appreciated. Context. Isn’t that what this site is for?

  17. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    Ray Lewis is the man.

    I feel like you left that sentence unfinished…

    whoever was asking about yawningdrone being down earlier today, it is back up along with all of the other go daddy sites knocked out by anonymous today. nerd fight!!

  18. renaissance79 Says:

    I guess I’m trying to discern the point where sensory impression becomes contextual information. The first CEP jam you ever listened to was at one point the sensory impression but later on becomes the context with which you hear the latest version.

    If the art object is mostly the color blue (I have a visceral phobic reaction to the color blue)…my initial impression is instantaneously hijacked and affects how I perceive the rest of the detail I absorb as my senses move on

  19. kayatosh Says:

    That’s why leg II is the business. Even a top ten jam list is extremely challenging. I easily get 7 top contenders just from dick’s alone:

    Dick’s: Carini, Undermind, Jim, CDT,
    Golden Age > Prince Caspian > Light
    LBC RnR
    Bama RnR
    St. Louis LxL

  20. Phishm0610 Says:

    @SW. and then it leads us back to where we are today.
    I’m good with anyone’s opinion as long as it is non biased about the context, but then adds the context for flavor. It tastes much better that way to me.

  21. SillyWilly Says:

    Some of you are also classic New Historicists which is encouraging

    Eventhough you may be appalled that Derrida is also your boy

    We have the French to thank for throwing out words like “context” when discussing art

    Viva la france, yo.

  22. Mr. Palmer Says:

    ” Kaya is a conniseur too. He’s pretty practiced in taking out “non-relevant” information and just getting down to the essence. So when he says “$$$ Tweezer” I know it’s not because he’s just pamping his own show. He has integrity towards neutrality.” – Mia

    ^^ yup. Totally agree. Show blindness is not a characteristic of Kaya, which is a good thing. Very hard to take yourself and your experience out of the equation. Kaya probably does it better than anyone on here. Others aren’t even close. No matter how much someone may know about music, when every show you attend is the best and everyone you don’t sucks, credibility is taken with a huge grain of salt.

    When discussing personal top 10 shows. I don’t think I would have one in there from 3.0. I’ve missed most of the super hot ones by a day or two. Seen some great jams, but nothing in the “best ever’ camp. Those are reserved for some sacred moments from a different time. Hopefully in ’13 that will change.

  23. Phishm0610 Says:

    and you have read many more books then I have SW. I try to stay with you, but have to google a lot of what you write. Keep it coming.

  24. renaissance79 Says:

    Silly-wow! I’m gonna learn a thing or two around here

    Kaya-you too!

  25. renaissance79 Says:

    Well said Palmer

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