The Jam of Summer

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Phish – 9/1/12 “Light”

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  1. kayatosh Says:

    ren 79: In your blue art example, i would not consider your reaction to the color blue to be contextual. Something like this — the artist only painted in blue — would be contextual, whereas your reception of the color blue is sensory and part of your individual experience of the art.

  2. renaissance79 Says:

    …and I begin my path to unbiased listening

  3. angryjoggerz Says:

    The art history major in me is saying “jump in there” but the jaded noob in me is saying “meh”.

  4. Bwana Says:

    @Kaya Well, I’m not sure how you could escape the context surrounding a live experience. Weather, location, time frame within tour, placement of song within the set — these are all contextual considerations — not just what someone ate for dinner. And all of this has an effect on the creation of the music. So to me your point “that contextual information is nice but not critical art appreciation” would lead someone to saying that the live experience is superfluous. The context influences the creation of the music.

    The one aspect that is missing from your latest breakdown of live vs playback — and what i was alluding to in my initial post on pg38 that started this discussion — is that context leads to the creation of the music… You seem to be focused on the appreciation of the music after the fact. I’m trying to share that the context influences not only the post-appreciation but also the very creation of the music…

    And I don’t know if you’re looking to win anything — I guess I just felt like we made our points and were starting to repeat them… I also feel like the discussion is continuing forward with some misconceptions in place. Hence the limitations of discussion without mediation, especially in this format… Maybe time for me to pull out of the discussion and let others introduce some new thoughts.

  5. renaissance79 Says:

    I guess I have more trouble with the fluffling end of things. Especially within the context of my own personal show experiences. It’s just too easy to love this fucking band! But at least I know that much.

    Any tips?

  6. angryjoggerz Says:

    Ps, where can i get some of the hot nude supermodel wine? sounds delicious.

  7. SillyWilly Says:


    There are many who would say that there is no such thing as “non-biased context”.

    No facts only interpretations (not true I na physical sense – jump off a cliff – but pretty true when you start to use language/music/symbols as a stand in for reality) this is also a classic deconstruction comment. Make a comment then undermine the same comment all while driving your analysis forward. Fun stuff. Psychedelic if you let it be.

    Of course, progressive theorists reject the existence of nonbiased context while conservative theorists often fight hard for traditional universal interpretations.

    And that’s what’s so fun I think about Deconstruction/poststructuralism/new historicism. It creates all kinds of new possiblities for discussion within a text/phish show while decentralizing perspective.

    The Pleasure of the Text by Roland Barthes is a fun read for this.

    In fact, compare Barthes’ The Structural Analysis of Narrative to the later work, Pleasure of the Text.

    Kinda of a microcosm of western thought playing out in our era.

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  9. MiA Says:

    SW should have a blazer with patches on the elbows. And a corncob pipe

  10. Phishm0610 Says:

    I’ll share a story and I’m out. I’ve seen many shows live. I always felt a different feeling from being there, then listening to the show on playback. whether I’m there or not.
    Mind you, I wasn’t at SF3 or Dick’s and just streamed these shows.
    And I have also streamed every other show that have been available to stream. I liked some of those past shows and really got into some jams. I didn’t feel like I was there and didn’t pretend like it was the same as being there. And like I said, I wasn’t there for any of the leg 2 shows. I just heard something different in the music. I heard soul inspiring jams that never seemed to quit. One thought went into another thought. Etc. You all get the point.
    I just don’t remember ever being as affected by the music, while not there, as I did with most of these shows. SF3 and all of Dick’s for sure. I’m cool with anyones opinion. and if you think otherwise then I wasn’t typing clearly. I come off strong, but like to hear other peoples comments as they do add to the context of what I heard, felt and saw.
    I appreciated all the lucky people that went to these shows and shared their experience.
    I just have to say, to these ears, this is the best phish I’ve ever heard. Mind you there are shows I’ve been to live that I liked better. But as far as listening in on a show that I’m not at. This leg 2 run was IT for me.

  11. SillyWilly Says:

    I love this stuff.

    I think its fascinating.

    AJ! Join in, man.

    I know you’ve got some opinions.

  12. MiA Says:

    Do the Bengals have to pay their players?

    They shouldn’t have to.

  13. renaissance79 Says:

    “SW should have a blazer with patches on the elbows. And a corncob pipe”

    ^LOLLLOLLLLL!!! Amen!!!

  14. Mr. Palmer Says:

    Clinging to a 7 point lead in my game @ Mia.

    My opponent has Rice and Gresham. I have Janikowski later

  15. angryjoggerz Says:

    Fascinating conversation that is perhaps a big over my head. Perhaps my research focus on transitional Buddhist iconography in western China did not leave me well prepared for real life conversation on art, hahah. Oh, college.

  16. Mr. Palmer Says:

    Damn! 4 points now. Need Sebastian to kick the crap out of some balls…

  17. kayatosh Says:

    “I’m not sure how you could escape the context surrounding a live experience”

    ^^^ you can’t. I never suggested that you could. Again, going to a show and appreciating the music on playback are two distinct things for me.

    I listen to BGCA3 and remember that I was feeling IT big time, and that is clearly intertwined w/ my assessment of BGCA 3 as $$$+, but the music also speaks for itself.

    I saw a total of 5 shows this summer (AC1 & 2 and all 3 BGCA’s), so the bulk of my listening has been purely from the bench. Only 1 of those shows was musically elevating from top to bottom (BGCA 3) w/ AC 1 a distant second.

    loved Lighteca at the time and on playback. but didn’t really appreciate the greatness of 8.17 DWD and tweezer until playback. 8.18 set I (esp. wolfman’s, maze, sugar shack, and Melt) was great at the time and on playback.

    phils 5.5 games out of 2nd WC spot. need to win 17 of the next 21 to have a shot. They won tonight. Also need St. Louis to play no better than .500 ball from here on out.

  18. renaissance79 Says:

    Always have trouble labeling something (especially Phish) the best….maybe I would say that this was the most compelling intent we’ve seen out of the boys this go around. The future of Phish rests on that intent…intentions are the difference between nostalgia…and what we all agree on as one of the finest examples of the creative process

  19. angryjoggerz Says:

    I will say this, though. I find context in art really important to me personally, whether it be my own experience of the art of learning about the context in which is was made. I read a lot about music that I like and I love hearing the stories of who/what/when/where/why in relationship to the art and its creation.

    In relation to Phish, I take Dicks as an example. I was there and I really was there. The memory of that weekend is strong and the vibe is still present. I have not had any time to listen back to the shows yet, but I am sure that the fact that I was there and experienced it myself will add to the playback experience, and for me that i no way lessons the experience of listening. Nor does it make me doubt my ability to perceive the art in one way or another. For me, after lots of years of art history debate and study, etc. I got very simple and just down to the whole “if you like it, that is great.” The same reason I do not like the ranking of art, etc. because for me there is no correct answer, and I find people who get to worked up about ranking or opinion on art are usually arguing something else all together.

    I dig art.

  20. MiA Says:

    I was doing well until I realized my opponent had Ravens defense. Wow. They are putting on a clinic. Oh well.

    Playing Andrew in the BBFL. He has P. Rivers to play. I have Antonio Gates.

    Go San Diego, just run in all your touchdowns!

  21. Bwana Says:

    This earlier quote by @DF is a perspective I choose to disagree with… “art takes on a life of its own once it is created, where context means nothing.” I can agree that art takes on a life of its own once created (playback appreciation) — but I’m not a creationist and I find context (process) is something to respect…

    All music has a path to creation — hence context. I can blind-taste-test jams and compare and rank them. But that’s not really my thing. Not why I’m a fan. I’m much more invested in the evolution of the band and the music and the community…

  22. MiA Says:

    Y’all write long posts.

  23. kayatosh Says:

    we all could benefit from some self editing and fine tuning for example:

    this sentence:

    “I will say this, though. I find context in art really important to me personally, whether it be my own experience of the art of learning about the context in which is was made”

    could be much cleaner this way:

    Context in art is important, whether it be my experience of the art or learning about the context in which is was made.

  24. SillyWilly Says:

    Well, AJ…

    Because I do love deconstruction, I’m not above being silly and high minded at the same time.

    Check this out:

    The images comprising transitional Buddhist iconography in Western China can be read in such a way as to enable us to recover its histories. Recovering the histories will heelp explain the context of exploitation from which the transitional Buddhist iconography emerged.

    At the same time, we can present these elements in those images’ present transmissions which caused those histories never to be realized in the Western world in the first place.

    Hahaha.see what I mean. It can be a game.

    What’s fun though is the game can show you something. But you’ll never know if the work is joking. Unless of course you laugh.

  25. kayatosh Says:

    setting aside the point that your experience of the art is not context. The information external to your sensory relation to the art is context.

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