The Jam of Summer

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Phish – 9/1/12 “Light”

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  1. Mr. Palmer Says:

    great stuff Aj and Bwana. I’m on your team on this debate. Maybe it’s just because I’m a phish geek/nerd and need to know every minor detail?

  2. SillyWilly Says:

    I like to think of art like I think of food..

    Just because you like it doesn’t mean its good for you.

  3. angryjoggerz Says:

    I have a bad habit of saying things like ” I will say this, though.” I hate presenting my opinions as correct of superior – especially if I feel it is making someone else feel bad or uncomfortable.

  4. renaissance79 Says:

    I’ve been waiting for and looking forward to this Golden Age of Phish….now that its here….I find myself thrown for a loop. Any Phish is hard to wrap your head around…but this is a new level experience for me. I remember what it was like for Phish to be in their prime during 1.0….but all previous Phish is now contextually snowballing on me and elevating my experience beyond explanation.


  5. angryjoggerz Says:

    I think that context in art creation can also lead to “the grass is greener” phenomena as well. This phenomena can make you feel like you may have enjoyed the art of more authentically had you been at/in the point of creation. This also seems to foster a romantic sense of nostalgia in the arts, like things are never as good as they used to be. This rings particularly true in the world of the Phish from Vermont.

  6. SillyWilly Says:

    Good realization, AJ

    I’m really bad at that.

    That’s a great communication thing to be aware of

  7. Bwana Says:

    “Context in art is important, whether it be my experience of the art or learning about the context in which is was made.”

    “Setting aside the point that your experience of the art is not context. The information external to your sensory relation to the art is context.”

    Nice, this I think covers the discussion fully or at least makes me feel like we are talking about the same thing…

  8. kayatosh Says:

    I love that stuff too, palmer, but i don’t see how that stuff tips the scales in favor of liking a jam/tune or not. The Fukuoka example works for me.

    I love the show, but my love comes almost exclusively from what I hear, not from my knowledge of it being performed under the influence of shrooms in a small club in japan.

  9. angryjoggerz Says:

    Context also seems to influence the many shades of “authentic” vs “fake”.

  10. Bwana Says:

    I love nostalgia — but I love the moment just as much… What I’m working on is maintaining a positive perspective on the future. One thing I can be positive about right now is the future of Phish!

  11. kayatosh Says:

    ” I will say this, though”

    ^^ these words are superfluous. You are saying something every time you type and hit submit comment; no need to announce it. Also, “in my opinion” (or even worse “in my own opinion”) are similarly unnecessary. It’s understood that we are all just voicing opinions.

    probably why some think i’m a douche. i don’t preface my shit w/ “in my opinion”


  12. Mr. Palmer Says:

    we are spinning our wheels again Kaya. For me, It adds to overall aura/legend of the show.

    Listen to the first Touch of Grey when Jerry hits the stage for the first time post coma…

    Listen to him sing So Many Roads in his last performance at Soldier field.

    ^ knowing the context behind those moments adds to the legend….for me. If they just came up on shuffle you might not think anything of them. Knowing the context, I can try and place myself in the scene and feel the emotion.

    I’ll stop now. I probably sound like an idiot at this point..

  13. MiA Says:

    IMO sounds 10x better than people who foolishly believe they are bestowing FACT! on others.

    It’s just reasonably polite.

  14. kayatosh Says:

    The future of phish for me in the near term is spinning the tapes.

    To come out so red hot at dick’s, dropping boss jams left and right all 3 nights, and then shut it down til end of December seems like a colossal rug pull.

  15. kayatosh Says:

    Palmer: your last point was powerful. I feel you. we’re on the same page, i just like this particular philosophical discussion. Takes me back to the college days and makes me feel young and spry. also goes well w/ IPAs and kush.

  16. SillyWilly Says:

    The performance art people couple with the hardline dectructionists would say that theres multiple levels of performance going on at a Phish show

    so the context becomes more and more important the deeper you look at the show

    The songs themselves are open to analysis, the setlist, the choice of venue, the interaction with the crowd, what the band was doing before the show, what they’re wearing, the weather, weird occurences surrounding the show

    All facets become textualized and open to analysis

    That’s basically what Derrida meant when he said “there’s nothing outside the text.”

    We are actually the ones producing a Phish show after it happens.


  17. kayatosh Says:

    Knowing that he dies later that summer perhaps makes you appreciate/hear something you wouldn’t have otherwise heard. I get it. Now i feel foolish.

  18. angryjoggerz Says:

    No ones’s noticed, but the band’s all pack and gone. Was it ever there at all?

  19. voopa Says:


    Google image search for “nude wine models” yielded some good results.

  20. RoosterPizza Says:

    I am in TT if anyone is down.

  21. kayatosh Says:

    nice one, AJ.

  22. renaissance79 Says:

    kaya-No Fall Tour was going to be a rug pull regardless…I think they knew that and wanted to let us know not to worry…those tapes you’re spinning are the reminder

  23. Bwana Says:

    Great example Palmer. I just had that exact experience with the version of So Many Roads from Soldier Field. I “heard” it differently after I learned the context… I could place Jerry’s emotion even more accurately. Similar to the example earlier of Velvet Sea from Coventry.

  24. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    let me ask it this way: can knowing the context take away from it?

    think of a show where one holds a negative memory due to the context of the experience (security hassles, over served, lady trouble, wook invasion, etc.)
    I know many of us can’t even listen to particular shows that are epic because of the negative connections they we have with the [bad] experience. separating the context from the music is not so easy.

  25. kayatosh Says:

    sorry, voopa. old habit of calling all show recordings tapes.

    back in my day all we had were tapes. An age when webcasts were the stuff of spiders.

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