Miner’s Mailbag IV

12.30.2011 – MSG (Joe Iudice)


 ‏@alexriejohnson: Outstanding bass moments from Mike over the years. Unique and original notes/versions

Some of my favorite Mike moments from memory are:

“Tweezer” 7.25.98, Austin, TX: This “Tweezer” contains filthy, Summer ’98 grooves all over the place. Check out the final snippet of the jam in which Mike plays an infectious outro lick before the band fades into “Circus;” my friends and I have always hailed this bass line as one of his best.

“YEM” 7.19.98, Shoreline: This is the first “YEM” in which Mike infused the bass line of Trey’s “The Way I Feel” into the jam. At first, we called it the Shoreline “YEM” bassline, but over the course of the summer and the rest of the ‘90s, it became a de facto part of the song.

“Tweezer” 12.16.99, Raleigh: In this quintessential ’99 jam, Trey doesn’t play leads for the beginning section and Mike takes the opportunity to rip shit up. Amidst layers of sonic wizardry the entire band builds the intro into a mini peak out of which Gordon just goes ballistic. There’s no mistaking the part I am referencing when you hear this jam.

“Tweezer” 6.24.2000, Atlanta: In one of my upper echelon versions of all time, Mike sets the groove plate with a series of the danciest bass lines you’ll ever hear. As the jam starts, Trey hangs back, setting loops and effects, while Mike takes the helm and absolutely owns the intro to this excursion. This is one of my favorite segments of Mike’s playing in memory.

“Tweezer” 7.9.98, Barcelona: Though this version carries an insane whole-band groove throughout, Mike gets straight silly up in this piece from start to finish.

“Piper” 9.11.00, Great Woods: This is a hugely underrated “Piper” in which the band travels far off course into incredibly original territory. Late in the jam, Mike takes the helm, directing the slowed down tempo with an heavy bass pattern that is way out front of the music; definitely one of my favorite Gordeaux moments.

“Ghost” 5.22.00, Radio City — Mike Gordon at his finest exploring the hypercomplexities of groove.


@PhishyMossman: Thoughts on Trey tour? (if you’ve heard any of the shows)

I’ve listened to four of the shows, and while I certainly feel the band has picked up some steam from beginning of the tour, I don’t feel there is much going on musically this tour. The same-sounding snippets of improv are being played in the exact same spots as usual—“Sand,” “Jibboo,” “Money, Love and Change,” “Simple Twist Up Dave” and a couple others. The shows of this tour sound much more like a pop concert than any previous run of TAB shows. I, personally, am a huge fan of Traveler as an album, but the infusion of these songs into TAB shows has done nothing to enhance the live experience, as they have been played more or less straight up. “Plasma” from Chicago is the most original jam I’ve heard thus far, though I haven’t spun the last couple shows. Trey has such a huge solo catalog that it’s a shame he is playing the same songs every night. I certainly have no complaints about the musicianship or tightness of the band, but when I go to a Trey-based event, I am looking for a bit more fireworks than he has displayed on a nightly basis. While I am sure these shows are quite fun to be at, I couldn’t care less that I’m not hitting any of them. As long as TAB provides an outlet for Trey to be happy, I’m all for it, but his modern side project is a far cry from what it used to be in both in the power-trio (w/ horns) and the big-band days—just a bunch of songs. In fact, his comeback tour in 2008 provided more high octane music than these largely sterile affairs.


@Jacobid: If a friend who has never heard a Phish song asks you to hear some of their music, which song do you put on first?

Always a great question, but it kind of depends on who the friend is and what musical background they are coming from. Honestly, I feel you could play “Harry Hood” for anyone from a twelve year old to a non-musical parent to a professional musician and the sheer emotion of the music would affect them. That would be my choice if I had someone that could commit 15 minutes to listening. If they are coming from a dance background, perhaps a “Sand” or “Tweezer;” a pop background, perhaps “Heavy Things” or “Bouncin,”  a more psychedelic background, perhaps a “Split” or “Piper.” It’s all relative. The first song that caught me ear as a non-Phish fan was “Lizards,” so go figure.


@PleasingTweezer: Do you (I do) tend to listen to 3.0 Phish more? Been following/seeing/listening since 93/94, but “old” Phish is what it was.

Yes, 100%. I really only ever listen to the last tour that has ended. This has been the way I have listened to Phish for so long that by the next time a tour ends, I really have no need to consistently listen to stuff form the previous one. Of course the most monumental jams will find their way into rotation, but for the most part, I only listen to the stuff that just happened. It is very rare that I would put in something from the ‘90s at this point just because I have heard it so much in my life it’s no longer that engaging or meaningful. In post show situations or times when I am straight chillin’ with friends, some of the older stuff comes out, but even then, I am far more prone to listen to recent Phish. It just feels more relevant to the here and now.


 @Runaway_Tim: “Dr. Gabel” dead and gone? On new album along with “Steam?”

It better be dead and gone! That is, literally, the worst Phish song I’ve ever heard in my life! (I am a huge “Jennifer Dances” fan—for real.) I actually heard something about the band starting from scratch for their new album, so hopefully we will wind up with all new music (plus a fourth studio version of “Let Me Lie.”)


@jonnyonthespots: How about you rank the Halloween album sets?

This is PURELY based on personal preference:

1)  Remain In Light — unparalleled and forever changed the course of Phish music

2)  Loaded – completely nailed from start to finish. Just glorious.

3)  Waiting For Columbus — a perfect style for Phish; a genuine ‘70s dance party through and through.

4)  Exile on Main Street – the band illustrated a level of soul they had never displayed before; they coouldn’t have pulled this off in their younger days

5)  Quadrophenia — a fantastic performance of a fantastic album; an consistently underrated performance with some true gems

6)  The White Album — a nice, long set of Beatles covers. Nothing more, nothing less.


 Mimi Fishman Foundation Launches New On-Line Charity Auction

The Mimi Fishman Foundation has launched a new on-line charity auction that features several New Years Eve ticket/poster packages as well as Phish memorabilia featuring a very rare kick drum head that was used by Phish in the 90’s and has been signed by the band.  The auction also includes a large number of Phish 2012 Summer Tour posters signed by the band and a very unique memorabilia package from the 2011 New Years run.  Umphrey’s McGee and the String Cheese Incident have kindly contributed New Years Eve ticket/poster packages as well.

The on-line auction is currently live with the bidding coming to close November 14.

To view and/or bid on the auction, as well as read about the charities the auction supports, please visit the Mimi Fishman Foundation Auction Page.

The Foundation also announces 2012 3rd Quarter Grants:

$10,000 – Delta Gamma Center for Children with Visual Impairments

$1,000 – Helping Hounds

$1,000 – Borinquen Defensores de Animales del Sur (BDAS)

$1,000 – Jordan-Elbridge Central School

$500 – Front Range Hippotheorapy


513 Responses to “Miner’s Mailbag IV”

  1. SillyWilly Says:

    Sounds like it’s gonna be a good move, bobby weird!

    will you be able to keep most of your clients?

  2. phlorida phan Says:

    Yep, if AP and Mcgahee can come back from there injuries, lat. Could too

  3. SillyWilly Says:

    what if mississippi state shocks the world…

  4. bobby weird Says:

    Silly, its the best of both worlds; i’m keeping all the clients i want to keep and shedding the riff raff. new beginnings.

  5. bobby weird Says:

    Silly, excuse my ignorance, but who is your avatar??

  6. SillyWilly Says:

    awesome, bobby weird

    working for the people you like makes the job so much easier I’m learning.

  7. SillyWilly Says:

    haha no need to apologize

    It’s Burning Spear and it’s the cover of his debut self-titled album from 1973. The album is most famous for the rhythm “He Prayed” – which I just love.

    I love reggae dub.

  8. bobby weird Says:

    cool. i’ll check it out.

  9. SillyWilly Says:

    I think Marcus Garvey/Garvey’s Ghost is probably burning spear’s most famous album

    Selector J and Albert Walker know WAY more about this stuff than me. And they give great recs

    I think it’s such a fun genre to delve into

  10. Bad Nirvana Cover Band Says:

    got my ballot.

    Roseanne Barr for Pres?

    None of the Above, stitches!

  11. mr. palmer Says:

    I doubt gamble, but seriously, ND is getting 12 pts vs Oklahoma tonight?

    That seems ridiculously high. The line started at 9 also.

  12. mr. palmer Says:

    don’t gamble…^^

  13. voopa Says:

    I can’t fully endorse any clown running for office, but please vote, everyone. It’s supposed to count for something, if not why would people try to limit it? That would be a really cynical distraction.

    But the alleged war between big gov’t and big business is probably the biggest distraction…maybe I’m not cynical enough.

  14. joe Says:

    I LOVE OK in that game tonight. not betting it, though. Personal history of them fucking me going back to the Fiesta Bowl vs. Boise St. when the dude scored the game winner and proposed to his cheerleader girlfriend. Hope they’re divorced now

    taking bama in the evening instead. Also laying 47 (Forty Seven!) with Oregon at 3 oclock. Have Arkansas -6 right now and they’re laying an egg. down 4 at half. just let ole miss drive the length of the field in the last minute of the first half.

    (not that I have a gambling problem or anything)

  15. Oldskool Says:

    @Palmer, that nanny story is so fuckin awful. I cannot even imagine

  16. joe Says:

    also, I tend to pick teams with bb affiliations for the vibes. would be hard to go against ND. I don’t think we have any sooners here.

  17. BingosBrother Says:

    Go sooners.

  18. mr. palmer Says:

    I figure that ND can keep it close with their defense? Maybe not. I’m not a big college football expert, so I’ll heed your advice Joe.

  19. poopgoblin Says:

    You in Chicago old skool?

  20. joe Says:

    Good bb game at 330. Robear st vs. The univeristy of silly.

  21. kayatosh Says:

    soccer>nectar IPA>leaf raking>lunch and stone ruination IPA ($$$; a top IPA)>vaips>bracing for the storm


  22. Gavinsdad Says:

    Just got to the sporting goods store for a headband for my costume. I’m going as a “baller” obvs.

    Walking thru the door store assoc asks, “whats the reason for your visit today?”

    Deadpanned, “I love dicks.”

    Couldn’t help myself.

  23. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    joe, the rule is you bet ND when they are the dog, especially in a big game like this. however, I don’t know what to tell you about this one. I actually feel pretty good about this game which I probably shouldn’t. good thing I’ll be getting my shine on with trey instead 😉

  24. Dr pronoia Says:

    Go badgers!!

    I’ll try to write something about last nights trey show when my hangover subsides enough to manage writing sentences

  25. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    and screw you, bingos 😉

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