The Final Night

“Oh Kee Pah > Yem” Part 1

“YEM” Part 2

“YEM” Part 3

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“Cavern”

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4,776 Responses to “The Final Night”

  1. ren Says:

    to Stoneys post

  2. HeadyBrosevelt Says:

    stoney- i like your thoughts. the music should never be secondary. and it is definitely okay to critique, discuss, contemplate, complement and diss phish. that is part of being a phish nerd. and part of the fun.

  3. ren Says:

    …but there we go expecting things…because maybe we have a habit of preparing better for things in our future.

    How does one promote the best in themselves and others without getting caught up in the whole expectations paradox?

  4. Spasm Waiter Says:

    77 Barton Hall GD anniversary

  5. ren Says:

    Some might say unconditional love and acceptance??? Parents might know more about this tactic. I was raised with a well rounded mix of love and discipline….I think it worked out ok…but there’s always room fro improvement

  6. Mr. Palmer Says:

    I don’t remember people griping during Fall or MSG… Maybe a little after first 2 Hampton nights ( which lends credence to the ” be ready for start of tours”)…

    So, as far as “sticking out like a sore-thumb”.. personally, I just don’;t see/hear it….Unless we are going back almost a year to the beginning of ’13 summer … If i remember correctly , those shows were about 50/50…people loved/loathed..

    Is Trey not 100% on point all the time? absolutely… but I need more evidence, personally, than one JF show after 4 months off as evidence of a full blown Trey meltdown…

    That’s me though… to each their own.

  7. HeadyBrosevelt Says:

    i think wanting and expecting are two very different things.

  8. Stoney Case Says:

    Little anecdote:

    I have a reputation as being a great pharmer. One of the best, consistently. About two years ago, I had some problems that went unnoticed by me, yet were readily discovered by the end user. They called me up, knowing my reputation, and exclaimed “This shit sucks! This is not what we are used to! This is not what we’ve come to expect”. I then did everything in my power to make things right.

    If I were my own phan/apologist I would have replied with “Hey, take what you get. It was better in the past, and will likely be better in the future. Tough rocks about the ‘present'”.

  9. Gavinsdad Says:

    I gotta chime in here much to Stoney’s chagrin.

    On twitter the other day someone posed the question: “trey, are you inspired by Phish anymore?” For the past 5 years all I’ve ever thought is the Exact Opposite of this question….I.e. Are YOU inspired by Phish anymore?

    Feel like there are major chunks of the fanbase that can’t accept that they are done w the band? Stoney has been fighting leaving for 4 years now. I’m not trying to firestart or tell people to go but isn’t it the individual who is struggling with the fact that what was once so magical isn’t casting the same spell anymore? This is the power of this scene, music and community. It once DID SOMETHING FOR YOU and now it’s not doing the same thing.

    So blame the band. I’ve read 5 years of total nonsense while the band continues to do whatever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want however the fuck they want? How is this not evident? They told us twice….garden party and truck set. “We do it our way. Give us your money or don’t”. Why is this so tough to stomach? Because we want something from them.

    All I want is a place to go to dance a bit. I spend alot of money to do that but I’m totally fine with it. I know when they hit my personal level of crappy that ill need to make a hard call. But that’s on me, not the band.

  10. Stoney Case Says:

    Phish is who they are, drive what they drive, and live where they live, because of our obsession, dedication, devotion, and diagnosis as a phan base.

    Anyone saying “It’s only music, only a band” is fibbing to themselves, or somehow never got IT.

  11. butter Says:

    second set jf wasnt a festi set

    DWD with a legit experimental jam. went for it again in Light with some siket disc jamming and a dance party Sand

    comparing 95 Phish to their current sound is all trouble all day. 30 yr old Trey vs 50 year old Trey

  12. Mr. Palmer Says:

    Boom goes the dynamite..

  13. HeadyBrosevelt Says:

    we are not in the midst of a phish or trey meltdown. that is for sure. i think what some are saying is that compared to the other three, trey has the hardest time pulling his weight. which is hard. mike and page had the most room for improvement while trey was peaking from ’92-’96. fish is fish- the dude has always been amazing (maybe it took him some time back in ’09 to get the drummer muscle memory back). overall, i think we all can agree that 3.0 has been a success, musically.

  14. Stoney Case Says:

    Heady, Amen. All I’m saying as well. Why do I discuss? Pretty sure it’s about intent at this point.

  15. Stoney Case Says:

    G’dad, word. I am guilty of many things as a phan. Holding them to their 1.0 or 2.0 standard IS NOT and HAS NOT BEEN one of those things.

    I am perfectly comfortable holding Trey to the standard he has set and reached in 3.0. My 4 year struggle, as you point out, has really been about the same thing. Whether the guitarist is as serious as the other band and fans at this point.

  16. vapebraham Says:

    J, P, and M should join forces w/ an ace guitarist like this guy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxwW4-64A0

    and start touring under a cool name like Scarf, Baby Maker or The Jon Fishman Posse. That would light a fire under trey.

  17. HeadyBrosevelt Says:

    i’m selling mad burritos on scarf tour.

  18. vapebraham Says:

    second what butter said re. set II at JF and 30 yo trey vs. 50 yo trey. fact.

    did yall spin that fuze action above? $$$

  19. HeadyBrosevelt Says:

    totally off subject, a hijack if you will, but anyone (out of curiosity)-

    is fleezer in your top 5 tweezers?

  20. butter Says:

    like Palmer says Fall 13 and MSG 13-14 had fans drooling

    dont think you can say Trey’s not dedicated based on 1 JF show (which didnt suck live, i assure you)

    that said, yes Trey uses live shows to warm up and practice. the days of being holed up in the barn practicing hey hole drills are done.

    we get what we get and if it isnt working, their are lots of other live acts to dig into.

    shouldnt you be critiquing pscyh hipster bands by now Stoney 🙂

    bring those new cd’s down tomorrow por fa vore

  21. Mr. Palmer Says:

    Also, it’s plain as day that the band isn’t as dedicated to Phish as they once were…

    They used to play 150 gigs a year.. Now we have about 8 side projects also.

    I hate the saying but it’s apt.. ” it is what it is”

  22. Gavinsdad Says:

    I won’t change my tune, not significantly at least. I think most folks are in denial of the reality that its their time to go or, more significantly that “this isnt doing it for me like it did” and stay because they can’t come to terms with breaking away from something that occupied such a large chunk of their emotions and psyche for so many years.

    That’s basically where I’m at.

  23. butter Says:

    JF:

    lots of patrons left the Acura stage after set break, thinning the crowd by a good 10-15 maybe 20k. they had now ‘seen’ Phish and could go on with their day and see other music

    the DWD jam completely went over many many’s head’s in attendance leaving the core fans with a shit eating grin. the energy was completely zapped from crowd. Peeps that had heard that Phish does long form improv and are jammers now witnessed it. Birds got the masses bobbing their heads again. it was a radical social experiment

  24. snow Says:

    ok, stoney, I vote to convict Trey amandastasio of dereliction of duty.

    What’s the sentence?

  25. butter Says:

    i’m with you GD

    same as it ever was:

    your either on the bus or not

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