Working It Out: A Conversation with Myself

Portsmouth (Andrea Nusinov)

Portsmouth (Andrea Nusinov)

Mr. Miner 1: Let’s call a spade a spade—that Summer Tour just wasn’t up to snuff. The band came out of the gates like a well-oiled machine, exhibiting patience and crafting thoughtful, developed jams, but their improvisation peaked at Randall’s Island. It’s kind of tough to call a tour a success when the best jams occured with three weeks left. and they never again reached that level. Trey’s patience—something praise-worthy over tour’s first two weeks—waned considerably and he got back to impatiently axing jams. I give him credit for laying back in the mix, but there is a point of diminishing returns. He is still the lead guitar player who’s leadership is crucial in the both the development and the realization of jams, and there was a serious lack of both in the second half of summer. After letting jams progress while sitting back, he rarely stepped up with strong ideas or leads in the back half of things to bring things to the top, often content to play rhythm for the duration. There were several stellar sets this shows this tour, especially towards the beginning, but the improvisation in the post-Randall’s segment of tour wasn’t on the same level, let alone the level of last summer or fall. This tour just didn’t feel like a progression to me.

Mr. Miner 2: This summer, they fully integrated their new material into their live show, found a place for most of it, while developing a new jam vehicle in “Fuego.” How could you not call that a progression? You always want new material and this summer Phish dropped a slew of it into place. In terms of improvisation, the band’s jams were more diverse than ever, and Trey’s willingness to lay back in the mix contributed to the many different sounds that were explored by the band this summer. It felt like a sort of a transitional tour to me, not just with the new material, but with an even more group-based, lead-less focus to the jams. Perhaps the lack of peaks or true jam development over the second part of tour was part of this approach, and once integrated, I have no doubt that the band will continue to play fully realized jams come Fall.

MM1: I hear that. This summer definitely felt like a transition, but looking at this summer alone, Trey’s willingness to sit back and not play lead for entire jams contributed to an unfinished and unrealized feel to many potentially huge summer excursions—even some of the tour’s better jams. Without Trey’s ideas bringing jams to a head, there was often a notable absence of leadership and many jams ended without truly having an ending. Perhaps the focus on the new material took away from a focus on improvisation, because I just don’t feel that the band was fully dialed in on too many nights after Randall’s Island. You had Chicago night three, the Charlotte/Merriweather weekend, Portsmouth night two and Orange Beach. That’s about it. That’s a lot of relatively average nights for Phish these days.

MM2: While many of this tour’s jams may not traditionally peak or resolve, perhaps that wasn’t the band’s focus this tour. Perhaps they were looking to explore as many sounds and directions as possible to see if they discovered something special. One can not argue against the incredible diversity of improvisation this tour, the band was devoted to exploration and on most nights came up with at least one gem if not two. Taking the tour at face value, its hard to say its not a success when the guys were able to cover so much ground while still integrating an album’s worth of new material into rotation. Perhaps it wasn’t their best tour musically speaking through and through, but I see this run as a step forward for Phish, even if they experienced some growing pains this summer.

Chicago (G.Lucas)

Chicago (Graham Lucas)

MM1: Sure, when stepping back now that the tour is over and looking at it with a macro view, its easy to say that it could be a stepping stone to bigger things, both stylistically and improvisationally, but musically, I just don’t feel this tour holds as much weight as last summer or fall. The most impressive jams of tour are still the “Fuegos” and “Chalk Dusts” from early on, while there were certainly highlights along the way, there only a handful of jams that truly felt complete. I’m not saying the band wasn’t playing well—for the most part they were—but there were very few “IT” shows. There was a ton of B+ playing, but the A/A+ playing was few and far between. It was a good tour, it was an interesting tour, but not necessarily the band’s most powerful, if that makes sense.

MM2: But the first couple weeks were damn powerful and you can’t discount those shows just because they happened at the beginning of tour. Mansfield through Randall’s Island were amazing Phish shows with only a couple glitches among them in total. Those were special shows. Every tour has its own trajectory, and this one front-loaded the heat, there is no doubt about that. But there was a certain revitalization over Charlotte, Merriweather, Portsmouth night two and Orange Beach. So really, the lulls were only CMAC through the beginning of Chicago and the very end of tour. Really not all that bad, man.

MM1: I guess that is true, I just felt that those two lulls combined with such a drastic stylistic shift by Trey that left many jams feeling as “teasers” or “tasters,” combined to make the entire tour a bit of a disappointment. I have seen each tour as a musical progression throughout the modern era, and this one just didn’t feel like a significant step forward to me jam-wise. Though if looking at the first two weeks alone, I guess that’s not totally true. It was just the lack of ability to sustain that level of patience and playing that left a bad taste in my mouth. I do buy into the theory that Summer Tour could be part of a larger shift that will be realized during Fall Tour, but going through the shows night to night, the tour just felt a little thin to me,  a bit underwhelming. And Phish is not usually underwhelming.

MM2: While the tour doesn’t necessarily have an abundance of standalone timeless gems, Phish still threw down a fair amount of them and generally played stronger start-to-finish sets with better flow than we’ve come accustomed to in recent years. That, in itself, is a huge step forward. Did Trey cut off jams? Sure. It seems that will be a part of what happens as they try to keep things fresh this era, but the overall focus on flow kind of negated the ripcord effect, ya’ know?

Detroit (J.Herzog)

Detroit (Jesse Herzog)

MM1: I guess I’d rather have fully completed jams and a bit less flow than sacrificing musical realization for flow. I get it when they use two jams as one, such as the “Carini > Ghost” from Oak Mountain, but I’d rather hear one amazing jam and one less so, with less flow than two pretty good ones that flow. It’s all about those trasndendent moments to me, and there were notably few of those after Randall’s Island this summer, regardless of what else was happening in the show, flow or no flow, ya dig? For example, you don’t think of Toronto ’13 as a choppy second set, you remember the insane “Disease” jam that froze time and space. When we think to Merriweather night one, we will remember the impeccable flow, but at no point in that second set did the band absolutely break through. You know what I’m saying? The “Ghost” is awesome and the “Light” is the jam of the show, but we can’t pull a truly timeless gem from this set. I guess it’s a matter of what you prefer at some point. I’m in it for transcendence—the times when the band hooks up with their effortless flow and weaves magic out of thin air—and quite honestly, that didn’t happen all that often over tour’s final three weeks. And the band’s last two tours were drenched it IT.

MM2: Well, Chicago night three had timeless moments and Merriweather night two was pure magic. It certainly did seem that extra-special aura lacked a bit after Merriweather, however, with high-level outings only coming at Portsmouth night two and Orange Beach, and I’m not so sure those shows or jams reached the timeless plane, possibly Portsmouth’s “Fuego” or “Meatstick” and the Beach’s “Disease” though. But did you really expect much from the Southern run?

MM1: Right, I mean last summer ended up on the west coast and this one in Alabama. Set and setting certainly makes a difference. I am on board with Summer ’14 being a very good Phish tour and potentially part of a larger transition, but it just didn’t feel like the band reached the next level too many times, those types of jams where they hook up and never look back. At some point it is what it is, but when the band reinserts well developed and peaked jams into their beefier, more well-balanced sets, then things will feel just right again. Fall, here we come!

Merriweather (Andrea Nusonov)

Merriweather (Andrea Nusonov)

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  1. dorn76 Says:

    Tip o’ the cap.

  2. Phamily Berzerker Says:


  3. Andy Shuford Says:

    This may be the best analysis I have ever read on your blog. Great job man!

  4. dorn76 Says:

    One man’s piss song is another’s transcendent moment.

    It’s a personal journey.

  5. Jerome Garcia Says:

    JG, what was your take on the unapologetic? I freaking loved it.

    ^it’s like there’s a party in my mouth & everyone’s invited

    Now to read Miner’s reflective post…

  6. butter Says:

    Agree with most of this @miner1

    That miner2 is a nitpick 😉

  7. the Baker Says:

    Agree with most of this @miner2
    That miner1 is a nitpick 😉

  8. tela's_muff Says:

    very interesting and respectable piece Miner. i can’t imagine what goes through your head as you dedicate that much time to touring at this point. i really respect that you’re looking at it from all angles (although it seems a glaring omission of ATL, seems a lot of people loved that one). i’ve shared with a few BB folk lately that Phish has achieved with me, what they want it to be. a celebration, or a release from the stress of life. trey many times has talked about how big band dances in the 50’s were the outlet for people and that’s what he wanted Phish to be. i don’t think they play for touring folk at this point. it’s amazing they even stick to their format of mixing up set lists, and jamming as much as they do. the phish that i analyze from 2003 is so far removed from the 2014 Phish, it’s forcing all of us to recalibrate. just my opinion, condensed.

    “For example, you don’t think of Toronto ’13 as a choppy second set, you remember the insane “Disease” jam that froze time and space.”

    ^ i never think any of this because this is easily the most overrated jam in the history of Phish. and Summer ’13 is the most overrated tour. 😉 i know, totally preposterous. peace and love, peace and love.

  9. Jerome Garcia Says:

    Dig Miner’s dual personality post. Lots to chew on…

  10. Jerome Garcia Says:

    It’s still smuff’s bday…but not by much…

  11. the Baker Says:

    P.S. I’m enjoying the 8/5/11 Gorge top-to-bottom…the #-line is about to conclude& the R&R is about to begin!!!

    *methinks I will be re-listening to virtually ZERO Summer’14 ’till after DICK’s; except for OB (cuz I was in jail), Randall’s CDT, Mann-Fuego & “all” of the July-Aug. HOODs…imma gonna utilize the ArchivalRelease feature & MyStash to get me thru these 21+ days*

    Thanx for yer repetitively succinct& humorous internalizations…TRUE STORIES!

  12. butter Says:

    Agree Trey needs to step up

    Some of 14 jams sound more like a “jamband” like maybe Ports Chalkdust without any real guitar peaks

    Spin Gorge dwd > undermind from last summer for 13 love

  13. guf Says:

    I love this! I wish this was a video with you talking back and forth to yourself…..reading it was quite enjoyable. Thanks!

  14. MrCompletely Says:

    Jamband, ouch! Lol!

  15. guf Says:

    @butter following your suggestion.

  16. MrCompletely Says:

    So apparently Herbie’s Mwandishi band played a gig opposite the Pointer Sisters? They really were on drugs in the seventies

  17. Stoney Case Says:

    Awesome. Awesome. I’m not alone. Great stuff by Tela’s on this page.

    This Gorge13 night 2 set 2 just blew my mind again. Guess in comparison mode I was thinking leg 1 2013 in context with this summer. Leg 2 last summer a bit different.

    To me, this Gorge set smokes and will get more listens going forward than probably anything from this summer.

  18. butter Says:

    So Stoney made it by 9:30

    Hour early for Humboldt time

  19. voopa Says:

    Sure, I talk to myself and they call me crazy. When Miner does it he’s a genius.

  20. Snow Says:

    This fall. Oh this fall. Wow.

  21. Nich Says:

    My thoughts on their thinking…

    With so many type I jams that end up in big screaming peaks, they started feeling like they were forcing the big jams into crescendo mode. There’s a lot of similarity to some of the big peaks early in this tour…I like that they went another direction even if that direction didn’t work out as well as it could have.

    I’m utterly obsessed with the way Trey plays in the Alabama DWD.

  22. Drewcluley Says:

    @Bingo re: Eugene

    Repost from p.148 of last….

    10/10/91 Univ of Oregon
    4/4/92 WOW Hall
    4/22/93 Hilton Ballroom
    3/30/93 Hilton Ballroom ( only 1 I saw on my move to Seattle – followed the boys up the coast from SF ) – great Mikes Song – in part in answer to Atlanta’s 2/20/93 Roxy Mikes “You can call it what you want but you know it’s Mikes song”. I always thought anyway.
    5/29/94 Hult Center

  23. Turkey Leg Says:

    Good stuff, Miner. I’m having a similar internal conversation. Overall, I think I prefer this summer to last by a hair. Fall ’13 best “tour” of return.

    Also, call me the minority, but I really don’t find Gorge ’13 to be all that great. I was in the room and thought thy were well-played shows and had fun. Rarely feel compelled to go back for a listen.


  24. Turkey Leg Says:

    Lastly, I watched “The Counselor” today and was amazed at just how terrible a film it is. How do you put a screenplay written by Cormac McCarthy directed by Ridley Scott together with that much acting talent and wind up with something that shitty? The embodiment of a Turkey Leg. F.

  25. ? Says:

    No way around it, Atlanta was an awful show.

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