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^probably my bad for bringing in the word vamp and using it improperly.
Vamp is what jazz people call it when you stay in 1 chord. When your just grooving on the 1. (Boring for die hard jazzers). But then peeps like James Brown showed how staying on the 1 can be so exciting cause it allows you to focus on the pocket as what’s intersting.. and not just the changes and the melody.
Then folks like Miles brought that into jazz. Focus on the feel, and stay there.
Phish did that too. They were already a fairly ‘vamping’ band in 94-95 cause a lot of their jams were ‘modal’ or in one key. (Of course with the Dead or Ornette kind of ability to improvise changes and change tonal centers) .. but mostly.. they’re ‘vamping’ in a key or a few chords and seeing what can happen. Building tension, tones, etc.
So groove and vamp really aren’t different words so much.
I just wanted to address a band that hits a sick groove with purpose and direction.. vs hanging out over a more directionless groove and being cool with that.. cause it can lead to bigger things.
I’m being super redundant now, sorriez for that.. but that’s the big difference i see in modern Phish. They’re not so willing to hang out in something that doesn’t have clear intention or doesn’t have much momentum in order to eventually find type 2 glory.
2015 they could find the glory without waiting. Finding the wave right out intent pocket grooves/vamps.
tying two above comments together, I note that those “2016 SPAC Carini” moments where Big Red drops right into a fully formed idea straight out of the gate with NO fooling around AT ALL do seem to have been really pretty common in 2015
Though I will say that Magna Dust is a search-y jam. It goes through a lot of phases, pretty patiently, but without ever settling much on any one idea. There’s even at least once where one of those “oh here we go” ideas pops out, but it doesn’t really develop
it’s a good jam and interesting, but I think it might illustrate the general 3.0 diff Um is talking about
instead of just sitting and letting it cook, they shift, shift, shift
like we used to talk about a 90 second rule or something? if any idea doesn’t pop to their satisfaction in like a minute or so they make a change, almost arbitrarily sometimes
this year that change has usually just been into a new song, and has puzzlingly often been right after what seems to the rest of us like a great idea
‘ fish gets on the cowbell and Trey is playing the quasi-nicu chops. ‘
^Miner easily and perfectly described that 5 minutes snippet I mentioned in the Cypress RnR. Miner knows his Phish and is good with descriptions.
This is def one kind of thing they did I think when letting the jam hangout before finding what came next.
But there’s some other things like that too.. doesn’t have to be cowbell and that guitar pattern.. but yeah.. this kind of thing.
Minimal tension harmonically or momentun rhythmicaly.
Kick back and wait jams. Being cool with static motion to find the next portal. Phish is done with that for the most part now.
Yeah. Magna dust is kinda like a 2.0 jam that keeps passing through different sections with no particular cohesion and never really finds a money part. Kind of sprawling but entertaining none the less. Not one of the strongest magna jams though