Tour Talk Thread

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  1. marcoesq Says:

    7.3.00 Runaway Jim. One of my all time favorites

  2. dorn76 Says:

    woooooaaahhh noooo-ooooh

  3. BingosBrother Says:

    Semantix is the next great strain.

  4. vapebraham Says:

    still stuck on 2016. chula 2001 – $$+ (more california love). SPAC carini — $$$. tops from any era.

  5. little umbrellas Says:

    ^probably my bad for bringing in the word vamp and using it improperly.

    Vamp is what jazz people call it when you stay in 1 chord. When your just grooving on the 1. (Boring for die hard jazzers). But then peeps like James Brown showed how staying on the 1 can be so exciting cause it allows you to focus on the pocket as what’s intersting.. and not just the changes and the melody.
    Then folks like Miles brought that into jazz. Focus on the feel, and stay there.

    Phish did that too. They were already a fairly ‘vamping’ band in 94-95 cause a lot of their jams were ‘modal’ or in one key. (Of course with the Dead or Ornette kind of ability to improvise changes and change tonal centers) .. but mostly.. they’re ‘vamping’ in a key or a few chords and seeing what can happen. Building tension, tones, etc.

    So groove and vamp really aren’t different words so much.

    I just wanted to address a band that hits a sick groove with purpose and direction.. vs hanging out over a more directionless groove and being cool with that.. cause it can lead to bigger things.

    I’m being super redundant now, sorriez for that.. but that’s the big difference i see in modern Phish. They’re not so willing to hang out in something that doesn’t have clear intention or doesn’t have much momentum in order to eventually find type 2 glory.

    2015 they could find the glory without waiting. Finding the wave right out intent pocket grooves/vamps.

  6. little umbrellas Says:

    ^posting while being paid. Bad Lumb.
    I kid. Rushed over here to hurry up and wait. Still waiting.

    You get your ass handed to you everyday.

  7. vapebraham Says:

    everyday. appreciate the vamp/groove education above, lilum.

  8. MrCompletely Says:

    tying two above comments together, I note that those “2016 SPAC Carini” moments where Big Red drops right into a fully formed idea straight out of the gate with NO fooling around AT ALL do seem to have been really pretty common in 2015

    Though I will say that Magna Dust is a search-y jam. It goes through a lot of phases, pretty patiently, but without ever settling much on any one idea. There’s even at least once where one of those “oh here we go” ideas pops out, but it doesn’t really develop

    it’s a good jam and interesting, but I think it might illustrate the general 3.0 diff Um is talking about

    instead of just sitting and letting it cook, they shift, shift, shift

    like we used to talk about a 90 second rule or something? if any idea doesn’t pop to their satisfaction in like a minute or so they make a change, almost arbitrarily sometimes

    this year that change has usually just been into a new song, and has puzzlingly often been right after what seems to the rest of us like a great idea

  9. vapebraham Says:

    dam that 7.1.97 Saw It Again just sizzled the retina of my third eye. I can see why they had to follow that up with Dirt.

  10. little umbrellas Says:

    ‘ fish gets on the cowbell and Trey is playing the quasi-nicu chops. ‘

    ^Miner easily and perfectly described that 5 minutes snippet I mentioned in the Cypress RnR. Miner knows his Phish and is good with descriptions.

    This is def one kind of thing they did I think when letting the jam hangout before finding what came next.
    But there’s some other things like that too.. doesn’t have to be cowbell and that guitar pattern.. but yeah.. this kind of thing.

    Minimal tension harmonically or momentun rhythmicaly.

    Kick back and wait jams. Being cool with static motion to find the next portal. Phish is done with that for the most part now.

  11. little umbrellas Says:

    ‘instead of just sitting and letting it cook, they shift, shift, shift’

    Dude, exactly.. thats the searchy phish these days.

  12. little umbrellas Says:

    ‘this year that change has usually just been into a new song, and has puzzlingly often been right after what seems to the rest of us like a great idea’

    ^this!! Right!? Blaze>#line from Gorge one clear example.

  13. marcoesq Says:

    ^Back to 2010 again. Last 2min of the jam are the best part and then…BOOM…# Line/d

  14. Mr.Miner Says:

    To be honest, I’ve grown out of miles electric period bc it’s way too vampy. It gets really boring to me and it feels like the music never gets anywhere. Though I do realize that was kinda the point.

  15. Mr.Miner Says:

    That cypress rock is def a good example of what you are talking about. I just think that kind of thing isn’t so prominent in late 90s phish

  16. lumpyhead Says:

    yeah that gorge example is the perfect one

  17. marcoesq Says:

    Halley’s jams could be pretty vampy but I always dug them. Linear funk/rock groove. Hampton ’97 Halley’s

  18. little umbrellas Says:

    ^Miner, that’s one thing that I always loved about the Dead and Phish, and to the nonbelievers I know.. tried to explain about what makes them next level.

    They’re doing modal vamp jams.. but then by following different tensions/fills/harmonic fluctuations..they improvise their way into new modes and feels. Improvised progressions!!

    Like a Miles jam that’s free. Able to find new made up jams, and not just the established initial feel. Ornette philosophy applied to Miles style Modal rock.

  19. Mr.Miner Says:

    Yeah. Magna dust is kinda like a 2.0 jam that keeps passing through different sections with no particular cohesion and never really finds a money part. Kind of sprawling but entertaining none the less. Not one of the strongest magna jams though

  20. MrCompletely Says:

    yeah I thought “oh this part could work” like 4 or 5 times but none of em ever took off. I was never bored but never ended up with a wow moment

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  22. jtran Says:

    the last few pages of chatter were most definitely NOT a boring vamp jam.

    deep in the island roses now. then the piper.

    not sure i’m familiar with camden 00 jim, so will hit that next.

  23. little umbrellas Says:

    I guess what Miles has going on in his prime’st work from that era, Is he cuts all the fat off the meat.
    Like he choose the best part of the jam, and just sticks with it.

    Not to mention the quality of tones , and the level of musicianship in his band.

    I love Bitches Brew in particular, cause he used the studio to create shifts and changes in the music. Less bashy and straight forward. More cloud space involved.

  24. dorn76 Says:


  25. little umbrellas Says:

    Things we love. When Phish finds something new that is awesome and they stick with it.

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