TicketShit

3.6.09 (J. Kravitz)

3.6.09 (J. Kravitz)

Something’s got to give in this discouraging state of affairs.  Phish tickets have gotten nearly impossible to acquire on actual on-sale dates, and there is no solution in sight.  In a nutshell, this sucks, and many fans are being left ticketless. This weekend, we witnessed the death of online Phish ticket sales, and discovered the only way to score a decent ticket is to be the first in line at an outlet- sometimes.  Although I had most of my tickets, I tried to score tickets for every on-sale this weekend to fill in the gaps and grab tickets and hook up friends in need.  Not interested in buying lawns, I was able to score a whopping two Gorge tickets out of seven on-sales.

This isn’t coming from a place of bitterness-I have my tickets, and for that I am blessed- just one of utter dismay and empathy for those who had similar experiences.  I tried all weekend long to score a decent stub and met with fail after fail after fail- and I consider myself pretty savvy with the ticket thing.  After my multiple experiences this weekend, I thank my lucky stars for having so many friends looking out for one another, because without such a network I’d be out of luck right now.  Yet not everyone has such a network, and these on-sales are their only real chance of getting tickets, and herein is my point.

Page and Trey (J.Kravitz)

Page and Trey (J.Kravitz)

Let me narrate this weekend’s bumpy road, and I bet that some of it sounds quite familiar.  Red Rocks- not a chance.  I never even saw the screen after I selected two four-day passes.  Next day- I tried for Darien while a friend stuck out on Merriweather.  I was never able to access a screen to actually select tickets- not sure why.  Maybe I refreshed one too many times, but I was never let back in, even after restarting my computer- though obviously nothing was left at that point.  There is nothing on Live Nation’s site about refreshing screens.

SPAC- nothing.  I am thrown into a waiting room from which I never emerge. Once I decided to bite the bullet and refresh the screen, tickets were gone.  Live Nation’s server seemed to be jamming every single time, and even when I did get by the captcha in under fifteen seconds, there was always an error message waiting on the next screen.

blockbuster_video_storeMeanwhile, I heard of a friend’s success at their local Blockbuster, and decided that for Shoreline, that would be my plan.  But first the Gorge was going on sale.  Completely defeated and ready to toss my computer out the window, I would attempt Gorge tickets as a mere formality.  But less than an hour before they dropped, a friend stopped by and suggested we look at places to go in the city.  We hopped in her car and sped down to a little Ticketmaster outlet within a store in the Mission.  Upon arrival, there were about nine people there and about a half an hour to go.  I figured we were screwed but decided to wait and be told formally.  In conversation, I learned that eight or nine people had scored four-day passes for Red Rocks there the previous day. Hmmm, I thought, we are going back to the old-school.

3.6.09 (J.Kravitz)

3.6.09 (J.Kravitz)

While waiting in line, I realized that our technology has finally outdone itself.  With so many people trying to score tickets against insurmountable odds created by ticket bots, hacker software, and scalpers, online ticket sales for Phish shows are officially dead.  Sure, there will always be stories of the people who were lucky enough to get them- but that’s what it is, pure luck.  Sure, you can strategize until the cows come home, but with zero barriers to entry, when thousands of people all hit the button simultaneously, whoever gets pulled into the system is quite random.  Online ticketing is far too accessible- you can sit in your underwear with your bong and click the mouse, or try order tickets when you should be working.  Back in the day, you’d have to go to a Ticketmaster outlet- it took a lot more effort.  Online on-sales have become no better than another lottery at this point, so we are left to trade and scalp; it’s a bad scene.

As the guy at the outlet furiously ran credit cards and printed tickets, the two-day passes sold out, as expected, with the person before us.  We did manage to score two individual tickets, and now she’s in.  That’s my success story.  But it wasn’t supposed to be the main story- that was coming Sunday with Shoreline.

3.6.09 (J.Kravitz)

3.6.09 (J.Kravitz)

I tried for Hartford and landed in another waiting room, then all that was available was lawn- all within about thirty seconds.  Really?!  I got into the system in the first thirty seconds and all that was left were lawn seats- something was going on here.  Unless you got right in at the moment the tickets went on sale, your chances at a pavilion seat were slim to none.  Sure we can all get stubbed down, but it’s all about having your own ticket in your own pocket.

Yet for Sunday I had scouted my plan.  I located a random Blockbuster an hour outside the city, and was heading there early- very early.  Waking up at 7:07, I hopped in my car by 7:30 and was in the desolate parking lot of Blockbuster at 8:30 am- alone!  I had done it, I had accomplished my goal- I was first at an outlet.  I smoked a joint solo just to celebrate my forthcoming pair of 100 level tickets, and sat on the curb with the Sunday Times- blowing up my solo lot scene.  I spoke with the manager, and he was on board with the mission, so I relaxed and enjoyed the morning sunshine for 3 1/2 hours.  About an hour into my personal sit-in, a second guy rolled up, and we shot the shit as we gloated about our situation.

3.6.09 (J.Kravitz)

3.6.09 (J.Kravitz)

I checked in with the manager again, telling him about the high demand, the scalpers, and the incredibly time-sensitive nature of his forthcoming task.  He was down, he would do all he could to make sure we were hooked.  Beautiful- or so we thought.

Finally, it was five to twelve, and tickets were about to drop.  As I watched him navigate the computer, I realized how slow he was at each movement and began to fear that his lack of speed would be our doom- but I was first- I knew I would at least get my two.  12:00 hits!  He pulls up two pavilions but has no idea what button to press to try and acquire the tickets.  After about twenty seconds of searching he finally found the “add to cart” button, which I thought was strange for a corporate outlet.  A cart?  Anyhow, as he entered the order, his computer came back with an error message!?  What the fuck?!  I came here to avoid error messages!  And so he started the process from the beginning again, and I knew I was sunk.  By the time he pulled ANY ticket, it was 12:10 and it was a lawn, which we let a third guy have who came up at the eleventh hour.

Fishman (J.Kravitz)

Fishman (J.Kravitz)

I was momentarily livid.  It was so obvious that Live Nation sent their guy to install their computer at Blockbuster, dropped off an instruction manual and left.  The guy confessed to being “very new at this” having only sold twenty tickets ever, and no offense, but it showed- he was totally unprepared for the task at hand.  If I was behind the terminal, I’m confident we would have all walked out with pavilions, but alas, what could we do- he was the guy that worked there.  To make a long story short- first in line, 3 1/2 hour wait, no tickets.  Nice.

What to do now?  I have no idea.  With internet on sales as random as the lottery, outlets’ efficiency subject to staff competence, and a phone system in which we get hung up on, we are left with very little control over our own destiny to score Phish tickets.  It’s reached the point of absurdity, and I have yet to hear a legitimate solution.  This whole paperless ticket trend wouldn’t work for Phish, as you wouldn’t be able to trade or buy tickets for friends unless you were actually going in the door with them.  Though by subverting scalpers, everyone just might be able to get tickets again.

Ironically, part of the problem is the relatively low price of Phish’s tickets.  With a $50 face value, they are sold at a fraction of the cost of any major act like Bruce Springsteen, The Dead, or U2.  Knowing the profit margin available on Phish tickets, scalpers, like vultures, flock to them using ticket bots and mark them up 400-500%.  If that’s their business, how can you blame them?  The incredibly high demand for Phish tickets far outstrips the supply for any given show, driving the true market value of a Phish ticket far above $50.  With such a high demand, they are able to make ridiculous profits on Phish.  In trying to keep it cheap for the fans, the irony is that fans aren’t getting the tickets; it’s a total mess.

3.6.09 (J.Kravitz)

3.6.09 (J.Kravitz)

So we are left to our networks of friends, trading boards, and scalpers- not always feasible options for everybody.  I am a firm believer that if you go to just about any show and try hard enough, you will always find one.  But it shouldn’t have to be like that; it shouldn’t be so damn hard for to get a ticket to see our favorite band.  But with the band members taken out of business decisions this time around, we are left with Coran Capshaw and corporation Phi$h running the show, and, honestly, they seem like they couldn’t care less.  Sure, they put anti-scalping messages on Phish’s ticket site- but do they actually do anything? Not so far.

ticketsnow-ticketmasterBruce has done something, Trent Reznor has said something, Eddie Vedder pioneered the anti-corporate ticket movement, and Metallica, AC/DC, and Tom Waits have tried paperless tickets requiring credit card and ID for entry.  Yet nothing but silence has come from camp Phish as TicketsNow continues to hawk all their summer shows at absurdly high prices.  It seems clear that Phi$h Inc. likes the hype and these sky-rocketing prices in the secondary market, as the demand to see Phish will only increase with every fan shut out.  In the end, with the millions rolling in, no one cares who is getting the tickets or how they are doing it, this much is plainly obvious.

This is 2009, folks- we can pull up our friend’s entire music libraries on our phones from across the country, we can zap messages to people around the globe instantaneously and locate anything with pinpoint accuracy via hand-held GPS devices, but somehow we can’t figure out an effective system to get tickets in the hands of real fans.  The real question remains, does anyone really want to?

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To correlate some numbers to this debacle, check out “The Economics of Phish Tickets,” thanks to Posterus Nutbagus!  Here is an explanation of the spread sheet.

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PHISH THOUGHTS TICKET EXCHANGE:

2889100254_8494a287a8Speaking of tickets, The Phish Thoughts Ticket Exchange has been updated for all the new shows!  We have opened up the board to the public- no longer will you need to email for an invite.  Please respect the board, as this is a community resource to get around the secondary ticket market.  Please respect the board and post carefully to make sure you are putting your info in the right place. Please read the instructions on the board before posting.  There is a permanent link to the board on the upper right of the home page.  If you make a successful deal through the board, please send an email with “Great Success!” as the subject line with the details of the deal in the text so we can track transactions.  If you have any questions, feedback, or suggestions, please email mrminer@phishthoughts.com!

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DOWNLOAD OF THE DAY:

redrocks_right

I am re-posting this classic SBD for the sake of completing our ride through Red Rocks history.  We conclude with a straight up classic- certainly one of the best ever in Morrison.  Enjoy the blistering show from start to finish, as we dream of the end of July.

I: Wilson, Chalk Dust Torture, You Enjoy Myself, Rift, Down With Disease, It’s Ice, Tela, Stash

II: Also Sprach Zarathustra > Run Like an Antelope, Fluffhead, Scent of a Mule, Split Open and Melt, The Squirming Coil, Maze, Contact > Frankenstein

E: Suzy Greenberg

Last “Frankenstein”07-26-91.

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307 Responses to “TicketShit”

  1. notkuroda Says:

    as for Miner turning down the lawn, I don’t blame him. There are very few venues where it’s worth it to me to sit on the lawn. If you can’t hear the show why pay $60 for it?

  2. Mr. V Says:

    Great post Mr. Miner. I’ve been attending concerts since the early 70’s (yep, I’m old) and it seems like obtaining tickets has been getting progressively worse and worse over the years. I know there are many, many reasons for this which have been discussed in previous posts. One fact remains is that nothing is going to change anytime soon unless the artists themselves step up to the plate and demand that the current system be overhauled. Once again many reasons why this has not happened (with very few exceptions). Be it that the artists don’t care as their venues sell out anyway, or they have contracts with the promoters/venues, or they are not sure exactly what to do….who knows? But I feel it will take several big name artists joining together to publicly demand that things be changed before we see any progress.

    Have you noticed how the terms have changed over the years – At first they were “Ticket Scalpers”, next came “Ticket Brokers”, and now we have “Secondary Ticket Market”.

    In the words of Pepe Le Pew “Le Sigh”

    Off to work…Thanks again Mr. Miner for a great site.

  3. pk Says:

    Most of the seats for outdoor venues are lawns. Most people are not going to get pavillion seats. That’s just how it goes. I think people are freaking out right now because there is this feeding frenzy going on, fueled by the insane Hampton prices. Prices for most of these summer shows are going to go down. Just be patient.

    Secondly, I was able to get tickets through the onsale for both of the venues that I tried. The thing to keep in mind is that just because no seats are coming up does not mean that no seats are left. Due to all the errors/timeouts through LiveNation’s site, a lot of the tickets that people pick up get released back into the pool 10 minutes later when they timeout. People were getting pavillions for Hartford after 12:30 on Saturday.

    Personally, I’m OK with the system as it is. Granted, getting jones beach tickets was a major pain in the ass, but I think LN has sorted out a lot of their issues since then. I’d rather be able to get $50 tickets sitting at home than have to wait in line for 4 hours or mail in a bunch of shit and pay in advance or, even worse, pay $150 face value. The scalpers will lose interest and prices will go down once the tour gets rolling and they are playing some of the bigger venues. Just don’t freak out and pull the trigger on those $150 lawn seats on stubhub and you’ll be fine.

  4. cason Says:

    nice Miner. way to call out the band!

    phi$h 3.0

    i have never paid over face for a ticket and i never will. i would rather not go to the show than pay more than face.

    phish should bring back the mail order or PTBM system. every ticket sold through PTBM should have a serial number that allows that ticket to be traced. anytime a PTBM ticket shows up on a scalper site, you can check the serial number, know who purchased the ticket, and then ban them from buying tickets through PTBM. oh and instead of only releasing 20% of the tickets through PTBM, they should release 90% and let ticketmaster scalp the other 10% through their legal scalping business known as ticketsnow.

    by making tickets so hard to score the band is slowly becoming irrelevant. kids are still gonna go on tour with or without tickets. the music will once again be overshadowed by the festivities in the lot

    at least i can still download the shows…

  5. SOAM Says:

    The solution is simple-they need to build 2 venues one in the Northeast and one on the West Coast with camping, no corporations involved and do 5 night runs. I would bet if they keep at it they will tire of all the traveling especially as their families grow and demand more from them.
    So-in the summer it’s simple-everybody gets in for 50 bucks and they do home and away gigs-then in the winter we will deal with this ridiculousness or just get extra ripped and wear snowsuits.

    I hear them not wanting to deal with the bullshit and just jam out but they have the best , most rabid fans around and as they evolve perhaps some thing will turn in the fans favor.

    we can’t forget for the last 4 years there was nothing to do all summer…but it is a bummer but they are just getting back at it

  6. Los Says:

    It is what it is…

    pHISH aint our little secret anymore…

  7. In Flagrante Delicto Says:

    Minor, usually I’m right there with you, but I question this post. I certainly understand the frustration everyone is feeling. I felt it too during the RR and Gorge onsales.

    But there isn’t an answer. Phish can’t go it alone, and even if they could, they should not do so. Nearly ruined Pearl Jam, and that was a band that committed on the record to ditching half of their fan base after Ten. We’re all in the know, but there’s another generation of fans out there who’ve never even heard of Phish yet, and if only the “deserving” get tickets, those folks are denied the opportunity to join the circus.

    I think the best we can hope for is to create little communities such as the one you’ve been kind enough to set up here, so that folks lucky enough to stumble into tickets can trade them for face for other shows.

    And to repeat a point I made in another post a few days ago, the secondary ticket market is both natural and necessary. Simple free market forces. And if any set of fans can appreciate a regulationless free market economy, it should be Phish fans. The Lot could be the last bastion of simple supply and demand economics. The market does need to be transparent, though, so that these TicketMaster/TicketsNow conspiracy theories are shown to be false, and the original source ticket vendors can take all available steps to keep out the bots and scalpers who see Phish tickets as nothing more than a profit margin calculation.

    I don’t know. Why were they selling 4 ticket packages to everything but RR? Cut it to 2, and twice as many people get lucky. Shit, cut it to one. That’ll scare some scalpers away. And if you’re going to make the effort to fly all the way across the country to see a band on a random Wednesday night in August (Shoreline!), you’ll probably take the time to try to buy your own ticket.

    With that said, and recognizing that my perspective is not likely to be popular, I just posted on the ticket board. Got 6 Shoreline lawns I’d like to turn into some combo of Shoreline pavs or Gorge tickets. jrosenquest AT morganlewis DOT com.

  8. Swamprabbit Says:

    I agree that recent Phish ticketing has been a disaster. However, I also feel that these problems will soon ease as demand dies down a bit. Phans are desperate to see the band after a long absence. In addition, Phish’s new management has done an incredible job of building up the hype (slow release of summer dates, etc.). All of this excitement has also lured in the vultures – scalpers looking to benefit at our expense. I have the feeling though – that outside of some of the tougher tickets (Fox, Red Rocks, etc.) many scalpers run the risk of getting burned this summer. People are simply not going to pay Hampton prices to get a lawn ticket to a huge venue like Alpine Valley. The bubble will burst . Phish does not need to charge more for tickets nor do they need to play in large stadiums. I still feel that the KNoxville show was a better indicator of demand and what to expect in the future.

  9. verno329 Says:

    I don’t see there as being a solution on the horizon. Phish has clearly decided that they want to focus on the band this time around and not involve themselves in building another gigantic support system like it had previously. That is fine with me. I don’t personally think that Trey, Page, Mike, and/or Jon is responsible for devising a system that ensures that everyone who “deserves” to go a show gets in. They are responsible for playing, not logisitics.

    A system of only selling tickets at outlets would not work simply because of the costs involved from a payroll perspective. There is no way that Ticketmaster (or any ticketing agency for that matter) would choose not to use the computerized, automated ticketing system that they have invested heavily in, in favor of paying a large number of people to man these outlets for the certain onslaught that would come with each release.

    Phish Tickets By Mail is also another option that I don’t see as feasible. Everyone remembers this system fondly but this system was not devised in the early 90’s as a way to make it difficult for people uninterested in going to the show to get tickets. It was difficult because it was the only system available at the time. Scalpers never even factored into the equation because what is a scalper gonna do with tickets to a show if you could just go but one at the door for face? The need for money orders instead of credit card numbers was also similar. There was not an efficient way to store and process credit card numbers securely at the time. It wasn’t a choice by Phish to say that we don’t want to sell tickets to people who are suing credit cards. And many people tried for tickets to every show with the hopes of trading tickets with others. That is not something exclusive to 2009 Phish. Not to mention that a system like this requires hiring people to sift through these mail order requests, something not conducive to keeping the support system small.

    I hope that tickets will become easier to come by as the time passes but I don’t think the solution is going to come solely from the band, nor do I think that they are required to do so.

  10. dyda Says:

    Even if they’ve removed themselves from the equation I know what I’m talking to Mike about if I see him in a lot…

  11. Jeff Says:

    this is a tough situation.

    my main gripe with Phish is that they don’t go back to PTBM. That is the best way to ensure phans can get their hands on tickets. i would imagine that could create a problem as they don’t handle that aspect of their business anymore.

    other than that, i feel this will blow over as this is the comeback tour. Red Rocks was a given that it would be a tough ticket so i’m not bummed.

    Long story short Miner, sounds like you got all the tickets you wanted? You just had a problem getting tickets for friends? Other than New Years ’02, Hampton ’09, and the Fox show, I have been able to get tickets to every show I wanted to go to this year. The Knoxville show was a breeze, Pittsburgh was super easy, Deercreek was amazingly easy, and while Alpine posed a challenge, if you hung around long enough they popped back up (I also seemingly lucked out on Darien). Oh, and I had already won mine through the Lottery, I just used the internet ordering for friends. This is not to suggest I did something better than others, I understand I may have been one of the lucky ones, but something tells me those who really tried hard to get tickets, are going to get to see a bulk of the shows they wanted to see. It’s absolutely true there are many more landmines to impede that process, but persistance did pay off for me at least. Face it, Phish is leaving a lot of the business dealings to their new management, and I don’t blame them. It helped lead to their decline in the past, so if this helps avoid that again, then fine by me. I’m really happy they don’t charge $100 or more for tickets, which they could easily do now.

  12. chris Says:

    i agree 100% with paperless ticketing. i realize that trading or hooking up friends with tickets is a cool thing, but probably 1/3 to 1/2 of the tickets being held right now are by people that hope to get to red rocks or gorge or wherever magical show they want. being 100% shut out by lottery and online sales, i’ve put in a bunch of requests to fans holding tickets for other shows like deer creek or alpine, only to be told countless times “no thanks man. i’m hoping to get to red rocks with these tickets.” ridiculous.

  13. Los Says:

    Is it that ticketing is the problem or that mad people want to see them?

    There are a whole lot of tour vets with more money and noobs who cant wait to claim their first show(s)

    Im really curious to see what the summer lots are going to be like.

  14. Mitch Says:

    *************
    IVE GOT IT!!!!!!!

    PART TIME JOBS AT BLOCKBUSTER!
    *************

    p.s. I still need friday gorge and have spac or jones 1 for trade
    tickets@facemelt.net

  15. Jer Says:

    I agree with Miner when he says: why should Phish care? They are selling out every single show they are playing…who cares through what method people get tickets, they are all sold…I think that’s the goal when trying to play/promote a show, no? I think it’s pretty amusing that we as fans think that Phish actually gives a shit about the plight of our inability to get tickets…again, they don’t…they could care less if the girl in row G seat 12 paid $50 through TBM or paid $3000 from Ticketsnow, as they are making the same amount of money regardless of how much that ticket sold for. They got back into this to play music, not to be some sort of radical vehicle for ticket sale reform. Honestly, ticketbastard and their cohorts are entirely too fucking powerful for Phish to do anything about. They were doing just fine before Phish started touring again, their return is just icing on the cake.

    The best solution to this problem isn’t Phish instituting a new form of ticket distribution, it’s actually really simple: DON’T FUCKING BUY TICKETS FOR ABOVE FACE VALUE. The irony is that people who buy tickets for above face value for summer will probably come crying again when they can’t get any fall tour tickets then end up forking over a 500% profit to some random asshat just because they “couldn’t possibly think of missing the show” again. Fuck that. It’s not up to Phish to change things, it’s up to us. WE keep scalpers, brokers and ticketsnow etc. in business. WE are their customers. Without US, guess what? Their business model falls apart. If YOU want to take a stand, don’t send some silly online petition to Phish. They don’t care…and if they do, what are they gonna do? Nothing. It’s up to US to take a stand.

    Flame on, I don’t give a shit.

  16. shpongleyez Says:

    PTBM was not devised to get tickets into the hands of the “deserving”, but it would work: convoluted and money up-front. It would require a temporary small organization, but I bet they could do it with mostly volunteers.

    There’s also the Pearl Jam/Iron Maiden fan club method.

    There’s a way, there’s just no will. And that’s disappointing.

  17. Al Says:

    Believe me, they DO care! But what can they do about it?

    @ Jer, you are absolutely right in your bottom line: Don’t buy above face value. Don’t create a market for that shit. Tickets for 200$ are NO TICKETS! Don’t go.

  18. Al Says:

    @shpongleyez, if there is a way as you say – they will find it and do it the phish-way. Give them time, they’ve just come back! The infrastructure is ALL new.

  19. Mr.Miner Says:

    shpongleeyez- of course PTBM was intended to get tickets into the hands of real fans…no doubt..

    Al, what makes you so confident that anyone cares?

  20. shpongleyez Says:

    I was more saying not intended to get tix into hands of “deserving” fans. Just fans of all sorts.

    The infrastructure is all new but not all Phish. It’s a good thing in most ways that the band is only focused on the music, but it does have some side-effects. And some pretty nasty ones at that.

    PS. I need 2 Saturday Gorges and have 2 Shorelines (lawn). 😉

  21. Pure Guava Says:

    I was 18th in line at Shoreline Sunday morning, I watched all 17 people in front of me score 4 tix each and then when it was my turn….nothing…I stood there for 15 minutes as the kind ticket window lady refreshed until she finally pulled one lawn for me…I took it as a consolation prize but I couldn’t help but feel terrible for the 50-60 people behind me who got shut out, some of whom had arrived at the venue at 6AM or earlier (which was unnecessary since Shoreline implemented a lottery system a while ago, everyone who showed up before 11:30AM had an equal chance at first place in line)

    For Red Rocks, I went to my local Macy’s and was told (not to sound racist but this lady could barely speak English), after spending over 15 minutes explaining my situation, that Phish tickets weren’t available at that outlet…I found out some good news/bad news later that afternoon, that my buddy went to a Macys less than an hour away and scored me 1st and 3rd night tix….good news that I got any RR tickets at all, bad news that if I had picked a Ticketmaster outlet occupied by someone who knew what the f**k she was doing I could of gotten a 4 day pass myself…

  22. Anonymous Says:

    I know for a fact that the organization doesn’t care. I emailed a link to the douce bag in Colorado laughing at how he was making money of PTBM tickets and they replied with a “sorry that sucks” attitude.

    Dear Fan,

    We are aware that tickets are being resold on EBAY, StubHub, Tickets.com, etc. We went to great lengths to cancel any suspect or fraudulent ticket requests before the successful orders were selected.

    Please understand that the only way to eliminate scalping is to simply not cooperate with it.

    Sincerely,
    Phish Ticketing Customer Service Dept

    I replied saying that the disclaimer on their tickets seemed like a formality and if they really went to great lengths they could cancel this guys tickets. They had his name and email and saw on the site that he was scalping them but nothing was going to be done.

    I haven’t heard a reply to that one.

  23. Al Says:

    Miner, ’cause I deeply trust in their pure intentions. Now, more than ever. Call it naive, or whatever, we’ll see…

    If they didn’t care – they wouldn’t have come back. It’s not only for money. (I think I do sound like a stupid 13 year old. But I’m not. You guys are absoltuely frustrated because of the current situation. From over here it all seems a lot more rational. It will all get better. Not this Tour, but the next!)

  24. Scoot Says:

    If you take a look at Ticketsnow for Shoreline, you will see somebody is selling 7 seats in row CC, Section 102. That is 2nd row center.

    There is simply no way for somebody to get 7 seats in one row, particularly that good, without some kind of inside connection.

    The tickets, by the way, are $2140 each. Grab 14 grand, 6 of your best friends, and head on down!

    Three things stop this: 1) Legislation banning scalping. (It used to be totally illegal in most states up until the mid-80s.) 2) Paperless tickets where you show ID at the door. 3) Tickets only sold at the box office or outlets, and perhaps only in local markets.

  25. JMelby Says:

    I got all Hamptons from a friends lottery, Fox and Chicago the same way. Creek and Alpine through my lottery. Only went for Red Rocks as it was the only ones I could work in. Wasn’t surprised, but bummed when it didn’t happen, but no way will I pay $300/night ($2400 for the wife and I, not including transportation, hotels, food so make it $3500). That’s a couple months of mortgage or a nice trip to Europe. But I’m pretty thankful because that’s 8 shows for me w/ fall and winter still to come.

    I still think PTBM could still work and would cut by half the amount of orders by reselling entities. Having to have cash and not credit room, plus all the hoops you have to figure out cut down on orders. But worked for me and my friends 90% of the time with Halloween and NYE being tougher but still doable. Also, Phish should go after all tickets on sites that have offers that are not in hand tickets. Those are their tickets and those are the ones that they can stop from being resold at unreal amounts. The I.D. ticket idea doesn’t work with this fan base. They don’t talk much, but I still think it would be nice to hear something from the band about this issue.

    Let’s hope things calm in tours to come, because it’s still such a hoot to be able to say that; tours to come.

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