L O S T: “Dr. Linus” Discussion Thread

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  1. zach straw Says:

    great episode! best of the season so far, in my opinion.

    ben’s dual power trip was intense, really highlighted the finite aspect of life decisions and the shrinking dichotomy around the “what if” universe and the “present”

    the scene with ben explaining to Llana his connection to the island and the sacrifices he made, i thought, was the high point of the season so far.

  2. MangoMan Says:

    whatttt… I got to disagree Zach… I thought this one was the worse and boring..!

  3. Lycanthropist Says:

    this was a quintessential LOST episode, highlighting Character drama over high octane action.

    After last weeks ass kicking episode, this story of redemption for Linus was absolutely moving.

    We see that Ben does have the sense of working for the greater good in him.

    And Ilana saw that too.

    Ben’s confession was one of the most moving things ever.

  4. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    I’ve always liked Ben so this is an episode I really enjoyed. I liked how just as with Sayid last week we saw parallels between the two timelines for Ben. It was looking like he would choose the power play in one of the timelines (I thought he’d go with Flocke at the end) but seeing him push through and realize that redemption was the only way for him to be able to continue on was pretty powerful to me.

    I really like how in the alternate timeline all of these characters are intertwined almost moreso than they already are in the island timeline.

    My friend (my friend)’s wife mentioned after the episode that it seems like they are still adding pieces to the puzzle rather than solving it and with only nine episodes left before the finale it seems like they are going to have to rush through some of this stuff or leave it unresolved. I hope that is not the case, but I can see where this might be a problem.

    Where the heck are Sawyer and Jin?

  5. Lycanthropist Says:

    I have had several other people voice similar concerns T3

    but when it comes down to it, there have been lots of answers this season, but its easy to miss them throughout all the confusion of the ALT storyline and the battle between MiB vs Jacob

    They can accomplish a lot in 9 episodes. Hell 1 episode surrounding Richard will answer a lot.

    But I think what we all need to realize is that this show has ALWAYS been about the characters. The mythology of the island has served as an amazing backdrop for these characters’ stories to play out, but it is just a backdrop.

    They won’t answer every question, and I am glad. They need to leave some things open to interpretation for further discussion after the show ends.

    That being said, they HAVE answered some of the major questions.

    Why are they there, how’d they survive the crash, why do they heal quickly, why are they connected? Jacob touched them and gave them the “gift”

    What is the black smoke? The remains of the MiB corporeal form

    The numbers? don’t hold your breath for much more explanation than we have gotten

    etc etc.

    My advice is to enjoy these throw backs to Season 1 style character centric episodes for what they are and don’t “page-grub” for the ending.

    In my experience, any epic story is always better during the journey then the end. So I have adopted the creed to enjoy each moment for what it is, rather than trying to look past it to the end.

  6. bhizzle Says:

    Agree w/ the Richard episod being able to answer a buttload. I actually thought we’d get more last night between him and Jack, but….

    WIDMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  7. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    In my experience, any epic story is always better during the journey then the end. So I have adopted the creed to enjoy each moment for what it is, rather than trying to look past it to the end.

    that’s the key, I think. very similar to a phish show in that regard!

    I’m not personally worried about plot threads being left “untied” but it is interesting that they keep adding layers to the cake they are supposed to be icing at this point (to use a poorly constructed metaphor that relates to you in a way, Lycan).

    I really liked Miles’ role in this episode. He has some great lines as the guy-who-tells-it-like-it-is and the best yet may have been when he reprised Ben’s own line about the bloody knife thing. To me, he is one of the better characters they added later on in the show. And now it looks like he’s going to try to take those diamonds too.

  8. Lycanthropist Says:

    i think that they may be hoodwinking us though with the raising of more questions.

    The ALT universe is probably going to be key in tying the whole thing together.

    The mystery boy is probably a HUGE piece of the puzzle too.

    I guess what I am saying, is that while mystery still abounds on the show, this first third of the season has been all about placement. Making sure all the pieces are in the right place so when they drop the bomb so to speak, all the characters are where they need to be mentally spiritually and physically.

    I mean, I haven’t really seen that many new questions pop up. Other than basic questions about the nature of the MiB and Jacob, but they are slowly adding to our pool of info for both.

  9. InAMinute Says:

    I loved the appearance by the professor from weird science. Classic. Agree that this was one of if not the best episode of the season. When ben is told in the sideways that perhaps he can convince “him” that his plan is wrong I was so glad that we finally will get the old badass coniving ben back and not the shriveled version of himself we’ve seen the last six even ten episodes. The scene with Jack and Richard my have been my favorite of the season. So sinister yet redemptive at the same time. Getting the Richard insight and seeing the black pearl was amazing.

    This may be going way out on a limb and it’s likely completely crap but I feel like perhaps Kate is “dead” as is Sawyer.

  10. lycanthropist Says:

    interesting theory.. Why do you think they are dead?

  11. Splatty Says:

    I’m sure I’m missing something – but how is it that Ben and his father made it off the island together in the sideways universe? I thought that it was supposed to be a parallel dimension where the island was destroyed in the 70’s, thereby changing the course of history from that point forward. Shouldn’t been and his father have been killed in the explosion?

  12. Splatty Says:

    Sorry – Shouldn’t Ben and his father have been killed in the explosion?

  13. lycanthropist Says:

    well i think we can be sure that jughead did not cause the island to sink. Something i have said and waited for confirmation on. They must have evacuated most of the dharma initiative before the island sank. Explains ethan’s appearance too

  14. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    I got the impression that Ben & his dad left prior to anything bad going down. there’s the question of when they left but also of why they left.

  15. bob Says:

    One thing that stood out was what Smokey told Ben: he wanted Ben to come with him so he could take care of the Island after Smokey and his people left. But in The Substitute, Smokey told Sawyer that the Island didn’t need protecting: “That’s the joke. It’s just a damned island.”

  16. Lycanthropist Says:

    Well here’s what I think went down

    1977 – time split

    Jughead went off in the ALT
    Jughead didn’t in the ORG

    Jughead didn’t cause the island to sink immediately. The electromagnetic energy and the explosion probably canceled each other out and both were destroyed. Now the island could have started sinking slowly after the energy was destroyed. But in any case, there was enough time for people to leave the island if they wanted.

    However – Ben had already been resurrected in the temple at that point. So I am wondering if that will play into his ALT character at all.

  17. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    @lycan,
    this is where I think a lot of the “new” questions arise (and there’s a lot of them when you compare the two timelines)

    –where does Alex fit into the alt timeline besides as a character attached to Ben?
    –Did Rousseau also make it off the island?
    –who else that was on the island at that time “made it off” in the alt timeline if jughead really did “force” them off the island?

    I think in the alt timeline Ben and his dad left prior to anything going down. they seemed remorseful for leaving – not glad they got out alive. It seems to reason that they would have left prior to Ben’s resurrection because he was with the Others after that and I don’t think he would have gone back to his abusive father right? who knows…

  18. ohhphee Says:

    @bob
    That’s a good point I didn’t consider last night, although I think Smokey will tell HIS candidates whatever they want to hear.

    @Lycan
    What do you think about Ben’s move to stay with Ilana’s group? Is this a sign of the Island’s powers of redemption? I must say, I didn’t see that one coming.

    @TIII
    -I don’t think Rousseau ever made it to the Island in the ALT.
    -Didn’t Ben’s dad shoot Sayid for trying to kill Ben, just before the split?
    -I hope I didn’t jump in on a question directed at Lycan.

  19. lycanthropist Says:

    My guess is that alex’s presence in the alt timeline can help narrow down when the island sank. i think its safe to say that rousseau never crashed on the island, but still had to raise alex on her own.

    so some time between 77 and 86 the island went down.

    @ohhphee

    bens redemption was one of the highlights for the whole series for me. i thought for sure he was gonna shoot ilana in the back. i am so glad to see ben become accepted, even in his most broken form.

    and thanks goodness too cause the side of good needs all the help it can get right now

    im worried widmore is gonna cap him as soon as he sees ben

  20. bob Says:

    @ohhphee
    I agree. Smokey is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He says he will always tell the truth but I don’t think he’s trustworthy.

  21. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    @ohphee
    good point about Rousseau. but then how is her daughter in an american high school?

    as for Ben’s dad, I still think that none of the stuff with sayid happened in the alt timeline because I think they left prior to any of the survivors getting involved with Dharma. I think it is more likely that they left of their own volition at some point prior to all of that going down.

    I’m psyched that widmore is coming to the island. dude’s gonna bring some whupass with him!

  22. lycanthropist Says:

    at t3 i just dont think its possible that history was altered prior to the 815 survivors involvment.

  23. ohhphee Says:

    I’ve yet to see Ben look so pitiful as he did standing on the fringe of the “good guy” group- kind of comical, yet sad and hopeful all at once.

    And yes, I think it’s clear now, despite mixed feelings about Jacob, that these ARE the good guys.

    Also curious to see what impact Widmore’s arrival has on this good/evil dynamic in the Island. Is Ben’s redemption just a precursor to his demise?

  24. jay Says:

    What this episode does reinforce is that everybody’s lives are better without interference from Jacob. Without the island in the equation. Great episode last night.

  25. Lycanthropist Says:

    @jay

    what about Sayid and Jin.. things aren’t looking great for them

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