L O S T: “Dr. Linus” Discussion Thread

The Final Season

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  1. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    @lycan
    yeah, that’s the rub, isn’t it? doesn’t jive with the continuity of everything else. oh well, I’m sure they’ll fill us in in some way that I can’t think of!

  2. Lycanthropist Says:

    and i am starting to think that while, yes, things are easier and happier for them without the island. But — is it for the best?

    I think not.

    I hate to draw such a direct Christian parallel, but I am going to anyway.

    Things would have been much easier for Jesus Christ, his 12 disciples, and his little harem of women that followed him, if God hadn’t been in the equation. But is their pain and misery worth the powerful teachings and philosophy that was presented to the world at large? (Extreme zealots, not withstanding of course)

  3. jay Says:

    I think Ben’s dad got sick and they had to leave the island. He regrets leaving the island as he saw the Dharma Initiative as a opportunity to make a better life.

  4. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    this isn’t episode specific, but one thing I didn’t like was that right before the new episode started abc did a quick promo for the episode and said something like “Ben meets his demise”. I know they wouldn’t totally give something away, but c’mon! you already have us absorbing everything about this show, don’t ruin anything for us!

  5. Lycanthropist Says:

    @T3

    I have learned to COMPLETELY disregard the ads and previews

    The Lost writing staff has nothing to do with those promos.
    Its all ABC trying to sell the hype. Apparently they have little understanding at how deep most of the fans are entrenched in the show.

    I learned this lesson with the promo for Season 3’s Stranger in a Strange Land.

    That episode was hyped as being an episode that would reveal 3 of the show’s BIGGEST mysteries.

    What it ended up being was the WORST episode in LOST history. In fact, it was the episode that made the writer’s demand an end date for the show so they wouldn’t be forced to write and more filler crap such as that.

    Point being is that the only LOST related material that you should take as cannon is the episodes themselves. The promos are usually completely wrong.

  6. jay Says:

    not just easier but better. Jack connects with his son, Hurley is successful, Ben becomes altruistic, Locke seems to have found solace that he will be a paraplegic for the rest of his life. Sayid does not lose his love (though he does not redeem himself as he kills those mobsters).

  7. Lycanthropist Says:

    correction:

    “…forced to write any* more filler crap…”

  8. ohhphee Says:

    @TIII
    Can’t answer that one about Alex.
    About the promo- yeah, I just figured since they said that, it wouldn’t happen.

    @Lycan
    Yeah, it would kinda negate the importance of the Island’s existence if they were all happy in the ALT.

    Hope to get a chance to discuss this further with you all. For now, I’m off to work. Have a great morning, everyone.

  9. Lycanthropist Says:

    But Sayid has lost his love.

    not only to his brother, but his own guilt.

    I agree Jack and John have found the redemption they just couldn’t seem to get in the original timeline. But I guess I am still holding out that they have greater purpose than individual successes.

  10. Lycanthropist Says:

    they are all “sacrifices the island demanded” if you will…

    their lives given up in service to Jacob for the greater good of the rest of the world.

    maybe not quite on that scale, but something like that

  11. ohhphee Says:

    Okay- a little late with that last comment.

    Anyway, good morning all!

  12. MisterChristian Says:

    testing….keep getting blocked

  13. bob Says:

    @ Jay
    I sort of agree. I don’t think things are better for the characters in the sideways reality, but they are very different. How is Kate’s life better? Jin’s?

    Now that said, some of the characters in the sideways reality have made immense progress in bettering themselves. Locke stops being angry, finds love, learns that just because he’s in a wheelchair doesn’t mean he can’t have a good life. Jack makes a major connection with his son, something he couldn’t do with his father.

    Ben’s relationship with his father is much better than it is in the Island story. And yes he helped Alex, and that was significant, redeeming even. But he still hates his life.

  14. bob Says:

    I know this is reaching back to the early discussion (on page 1) about answers, but this episode gave us a lot of information or confirmation of things many suspected. Richard is from the Black Rock. He’s special, been given a “gift” from Jacob because Jacob touched him. This explains why he doesn’t age and his role on the Island. It also confirms that the Losties Jacob touched are also special, and that the Candidate will take Jacob’s place. Jack is figuring out that Jacob has big plans for him.

  15. jay Says:

    their lives given up in service to Jacob for the greater good of the rest of the world.

    Now I disagree here. What Jacob and the MiB have going is a game (with rules) that these deities have been playing for millennium. Using human beings as pawns and fucking with their lives. This is not for the greater good. Now the MiB has broken the rules.
    What does this mean for island and it’s inhabitants (both human and ethereal).

  16. bright light Says:

    i second the comment about truly enjoying ben’s transformation from the mysterious leader who controlled all the action in the early seasons to the humbled, beaten-down-yet-on-the-road-to-redemption guy we saw at the end of last night. also interesting that he initially killed his father (and many others) with gas but last night used it to help preserve his father’s life. nice touch.

    i was a bit surprised that richard would try to kill himself just b/c jacob is dead, especially when hurley mentioned that he just talked to him. i guess he just hit his limit of being kept out of the loop, a bit like ben just before he killed jacob. or maybe i’m missing something.

    i, for one, don’t mind the series ending without everything tied up. i’ve always preferred messy, loose ends to nice and neat conclusions, and enjoy getting to think things through on my own or with others to try and figure out what happens once the on-screen action ends. but i know many people would feel disappointed if that happens. my prediction is that it will be somewhere in the middle. we’ll have most of the questions answered, but some stuff will be up to our imaginations to figure out.

  17. Southbound Says:

    Question: What about Jin and Sun? There seems to be a revealing role for one of them. Which one and what is it? Sun didn’t go back to the island in the same way as the others, why not? Does that make a difference in what llana (I believe) said about them. If it is about touching, then you have to go back to the episode in which Jacob touches one of them.

  18. bright light Says:

    @Southbound

    pretty sure jacob touched both of them at their wedding

  19. InaMinute Says:

    @ lycan
    I think Kate is dead, as there has been two instances of virtually no interaction – first the Kate/Jack random encounter a few episodes ago, and now the Kate/Sayid encounter last episode – she has not had any human connection (touching) and when she and Sawyer are sitting on the docks, it just seemed like they were dead – again no factual basis here, just a theory

    There is certainly a clear comparison to Jacob and Jesus – if you can’t see that I don’t know what to say. (And trust me I am not religous nor do i want to bring this to the party, but clearly there are a tonof “Contact” associations here, aka science vs. religion, destiny vs. free will

    Sayid is clearly off the deep end at this point, gone to MiB side. Jin can still be saved and it seems he is the one factor to have yet to have taken a side (and perhaps Kate – but we know my thoughts on that…

    The best thing about this show is that even though the MiB appears to be evil and Jacob good, this is one of the finest portrayals of is good really good and bad bad – all good has some deception and all bad has limits of soul saving, etc.

  20. InaMinute Says:

    also – to other points (sorry I’m jumping around here), the Ben and his Dad off island scene and the fact that the island exists in the sideways world is really interesting – don’t have any theories about it’s affects yet, but incredible that they are going to find a way to tie it all together.

  21. Mr. Completely Says:

    I have nothing to add to the theory discussion, I am brain dead and you all have covered it well

    just a nod to the acting which continues to be staggeringly great

    the fact that many of these characters have very well established personalities built up over 5 seasons gives the actors something to work off of in very subtle ways now as their characters change, whether in the ALT world or the main one

    most obviously Sayid, Locke and Ben, but also Claire, Jack, Sawyer…

    The actors are all doing a great job at using subtle facial/body language nuance to convey deep internal thought & feeling processes…quite incredible

    Ben might die soon. He got redemption. That’s been curtains for a number of folks. He also spurned the MiB which is good karmically but maybe not so much from a survival standpoint.

    Have a feeling the dying is gonna start real soon now. I’m rooting for Miles to survive but am not hopeful.

  22. Mr. Completely Says:

    for example the shots with MiB/Locke, Sayid, Claire and Kate

    the first three all have expressions that display their new personalities…confident…almost a little gleeful or smug…cocky or something…assured in their new direction

    Kate is looking around wondering WTF

  23. Lycanthropist Says:

    so just a quick break down

    Jacob’s Team:

    Richard
    Jack
    Hurley
    Ilana
    Frank
    Ben
    Sun
    Miles

    MiB’s Team:

    Sawyer
    Claire
    Sayid
    and about 15 Temple Others

    Unknown:

    Jin
    Kate

  24. Lycanthropist Says:

    not to mention that the MiB has full disposal of the smoke monster’s power

  25. Lycanthropist Says:

    which aside from the sonic fence, we have yet to see a way to hurt the beast in its smoke form

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