Retro Post: Exploring on the Eighth

8.15.11 - UIC Pavilion (Michael Stein)

Today, I’ll let my blog do my work for me. Here’s a link to last year’s December 8th installment of December jam memoirs, a series of posts in which I tracked the calendar using Phish jams. The intro is below.

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Exploring on the Eighth

Today, our December focus shift onto two sprawling excursions that took place on the eighth day of the month in 1995 and 1999. Both selections — Cleveland’s “Tweezer > Kung > Tweezer” and Cumberland County Civic Center’s “Piper” — feature musical explorations that veer far off the beaten path, providing snapshots of the band’s experimental side as seen through the lenses of 1995 and 1999…Read On!

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Jam of the Day:

Piper > Dog-Faced Boy” 12.8.99 II

Part of a stellar second set at Cumberland County Civic Center in Portland, Maine. Read about it in the article linked above.

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VIDEO OF THE DAY: “Jennifer Dances” 12.7.99 II

One of the three December ’99 performances of the much-maligned tune. I’ve always wondered, “What’s not to like?”

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513 Responses to “Retro Post: Exploring on the Eighth”

  1. SillyWilly Says:

    definitely, Mr. C

    hard to classify numbers. Rape of Nanking was horrible.

    They say Cromwell was responsible for some estimate 100,000 Irish deaths in the late 1640s, some (weirdly british historians) say up to 600,000 in 4 years.

    always puts American history into perspective to me. I guess.

  2. tela'smuff Says:

    gonna spin some more Dec ’99 today. that 12/7 revisit was fun. I’m can’t make up my mind.

    love the frenetic groove in the ’95 winter Tweezers
    love the cowfunk of ’97 Fall
    love the abstract ambient groove of summer and winter ’99

    somehow i have no connection with the ’98 sound other than Island Tour.

  3. JeffieM Says:

    Fucking Fuck.

    More people killing each other on my fucking campus.

    I’m not even up there anymore, and I’m pretty torn up.

    Goddammit.
    Second spin through this Piper>DFB. Thanks for posting it today, Miner.

  4. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    eff cromwell

  5. JeffieM Says:

    sorry about that. Tough several years for the Virginia Tech community. One Cop, one kid dead.

  6. SillyWilly Says:

    Yeah, TypeIII

    this depression has hit Ireland pretty hard.

    lotta bad news coming from Ulster lately. Some lynchings have been reported, even.

    i even read this article that some KKK delegates have been up there. But, I guess some of those northern irish groups makes the KKK look kind of tame. At least lately.

  7. joe Says:

    Piper>Dog Faced Boy one of my most lasting memories from any show I ever saw. Was those Portland shows general admission? We were dead center in the first row of the seats behind the soundboard both nights. Loved Dec 99 leading up to and (obviously including) Cypress

  8. Beantownboy Says:

    The holidays seem to always bring the crazy out of folks.

    If folks could just get their release through music it would be a better world. Put down the guns and pick up the vinyl.

    In that regard, do yourself a favor and spin the New Black Keys album that came out on Tuesday: El Camino.

    Good stuff.

  9. joe Says:

    And by was I mean were

  10. Mr.Miner Says:

    JD is a great song. Not being facetious at all.

  11. joe Says:

    On the other hand, I have Zero show memories of any jennifer dances, neither positive nor negative

  12. voopa Says:

    Interesting read:

    http://warisacrime.org/content/70-years-lying-about-pearl-harbor

    ‘…just 11 days before the “unexpected” attack — he had secretly ordered the creation of a list of every Japanese and Japanese-American person in the United States.’

    “As early as 1932 the United States had been talking with China about providing airplanes, pilots, and training for its war with Japan.”

  13. tela'smuff Says:

    a great song is something like Stella Blue, or Visions of Johanna, or even Down in a Hole or She Talks to Angels. Jennifer Dances is not what I would qualify as a “great song”. is it truly the stinker it’s made out to be, maybe not. it’s placement sure did kill setlist flow, that’s factual.

  14. joe Says:

    That Dog faced boy was the one and only time I was brought to tears at a Phish show. I had a serious crush/unrequited love going on and it had me all sorts of emotional at the time

  15. Mr. Palmer Says:

    It was only played 3 times. Lets not make it out to be more than it is either. TTe is setlist killer. A 16 minute shit storm. A 5 minute JD doesn’t kill setlists…come on man!

  16. bhizzle Says:

    its a cock blocker!

  17. tela'smuff Says:

    i didn’t say it killed a setlist, just the flow, proven yesterday when i listened to 12/7. but you’re right, 3 times played isn’t worthy of a big to do. just don’t think it was a great song.

  18. aw's girl Says:

    the PH attack itself was unexpected

    the war with Japan was not

    again, conflation of related but distinct historical points

    the fact that Roosevelt knew war was coming is no longer under debate as far as I know

    he figured that Japan was coming at the US one way or another and did everything he could to get ready for it and have things break in a way that would be advantageous for his side when it happened

    there is nothing in that article that really runs contrary to the current generally accepted view of the run-up to war in the Pacific, the tone that they’re uncovering some historical truth is kind of amusing

    The notion of fighting a naval war close to our own Pacific coastline as opposed to in deep blue water is simply stupid and the fact that a Marine general would advocate it points to the fact that he didn’t comprehend the shift to carrier warfare

    The Japanese decrying American military buildup is pure propaganda, more baldfacedly so than anything Roosevelt did. It’s childish to think the Japanese would be basically invading everyone around them and building this massive navy and plainly planning to attack the Philippines and the USA wouldn’t respond at all

    Unless you deny a response was necessary, everything the US did was strategically sound. Not building up the US fleet in forward positions wouldn’t have prevented war with Japan. It would have delayed it at best.

    The only way to avoid war with Japan would have been to allow them to expand throughout the Pacific.

    This is taking revisionism too far. Most of that article amounts to conflating preparations for war (which definitely were happening) with provocation. I honestly found that article rather sickeningly foolish.

    I’m a pacifist at heart but when I see “WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER” stickers I find them frankly stupid.

    What if the question is “How do you stop the Holocaust?”

    The answer is: war.

  19. MrCompletely Says:

    wow, that’s fairly weird

    apparently I had that old joke username stored in an alternate browser

    ell oh ell

  20. Type III Jamming Personality Disorder Says:

    was gonna say… I mean, I know she’s a teacher or something, but that’s coming out guns blazin’

  21. MrCompletely Says:

    And yes there were some indications of an attack on PH but it was far from conclusive. There were also many intel reports of other potential targets and the PH attack was seen as being strategically so stupid for the Japanese that they’d never do it

    which is true, the PH attack was basically a disaster for japan from top to bottom and the stupidest thing they could have done

  22. MrCompletely Says:

    this comment will prob get stuck in moderation…it is me, just trying to get a new browser working

  23. joe Says:

    I thought the PH attacks were pretty successful in Japan…ah, not talking PHish tour

  24. MrCompletely Says:

    ah, nice

    almost all wars are just evil against evil

    one stupid group of alpha males trying to take territory or resources from another stupid, aggressive group of alpha males

    WW2 does not fit comfortably into that paradign, nor does it fit into the general postmodern relativist paradigm

    unfortunately, many on the right take the lessons of ww2 too far the other way: since evil does actually exist, and we fought it in ww2, that means everyone we fight is evil and we are always good. that’s dumb and wrong

    but ww2 is a pivotal historical outlier in all respects and when you try to apply purely pacifist views to it you invariably end up making points that are confused at best and simply false at worst

    I’m definitely not saying that the US was the golden world hero or anything…

  25. Mr. Palmer Says:

    well played Joe.

    Damn V- Tech. WTF is going on there? My friend and neighbor has a daughter there. He’s freaking the fuck out…again.

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