L O S T: “What Kate Does” Discussion Thread

Season 6, Episode 2: "What Kate Does"


96 Responses to “L O S T: “What Kate Does” Discussion Thread”

  1. Lycanthropist Says:

    Mac 🙂

  2. gavinsdad Says:

    word palmer…the guy from always sunny.

  3. Lycanthropist Says:

    little survey-

    favorite season: Season 3
    favorite character: Locke
    favorite episodes: Walkabout, Cabin Fever, The Variable, The Constant
    least favorite character: Kate
    least favorite season: Season 2

  4. jay Says:

    favorite season: Season 1 – just because it was so refreshingly new and exciting
    Favorite character – Sawyer (Locke real close second)
    favorite episodes: dont know my episodes that well.
    least favorite character: Kate (if we are talking main characters)
    least favorite season: Season 4

  5. Lycanthropist Says:

    best death: Arzt explosion
    worst death: Alex’s execution

  6. jay Says:

    best (as in most riveting) death: Charlie’s death under water.
    worst death: Sayid’s girlfriend getting hit by a car. That was brutal.

    Best Rambo moment: Claire on the ridge with a rifle

  7. Lycanthropist Says:

    worst crying scene: Sayid getting beat up by the restaurant owner… man that was pitiful acting..

    although the rest of that episode (Enter 77) was pretty awesome.

    and I would say Eye-Patch gets the Rambo award for me

  8. jay Says:

    I dont know, Kate crying on the dock last episode was pretty bad.

  9. jay Says:

    Just remembered the Midnight Cowboy reference “I’m walking Here! I’m walking here!” by Art? at the taxi Kate was in. Nice 🙂

  10. Lycanthropist Says:


    ha yeah but srsly rewatch that part where Sayid is crying in the kitchen.. my god it is absolutely laughable

  11. Tsac77 Says:

    I’m starting to wonder if the Locke who crashed on the island and was suddenly able to walk, the one we’ve been waching the whole series, has ever been the real Locke at all. With all this body inhabiting, I wouldn’t be surprised if something is revealed along these lines.

  12. Mr. Completely Says:

    hey so I liked the episode a lot, not an A+ but a real good one

    I think the Kate angles are more interesting than they first appear

    A big problem with her character recently has been: why is she doing these things? And now we see why a little, and it makes sense.

    But more importantly, we see that in alt-world, the desires that motivate her in the “original world” are being fulfilled, through Kate’s actions, but along a different pathway.

    I think this is a clue re: the karmic relationship between the two timelines.

    And it also plays into the free will/destiny dynamic which I agree is more relevant than a classic “good v. evil” conflict. If karmically joined timelines converge on similar outcomes, then destiny comes to the fore…for now. I suspect the ending in that regard will be ambiguous.

  13. Mr. Completely Says:

    wow, we got a troll!

    as I said:

    Lost is to TV as Phish is to jambands.

    The medium of TV is problematic; however the ability to tell long stories with multiple overlapping plot and character arcs is essentially a new art form – the episodic/extended structure has been well developed in graphic novels but it’s only really in the post-Whedon years we see it taking full effect in the video medium.

    I am basically a TV hater, a pretty serious one actually.

    But this is high level art, and when you rant against it, it honestly just seems like you’re not smart enough to understand it. To speak bluntly. Since you started it.

  14. Mr. Completely Says:

    re: possession

    Sayid wasn’t dead when they put him in the (contaminated) water, when the “infection” would have entered him. He was injured and weak.

    Same for Ben.

    Possibly same for Claire. Injured in the explosion, presumably…

    Christian was dead.

    So what’s the difference?

    I think “Christian” was noncorporeal, basically a shape Smokey/MIB could take on, like other dead people have been at other times.

    The others, I think, are infected or possessed, not by Smokey/MIB directly, but by some lesser or associated form, or simply an effect of the “dark side” of the island.

    That means they may be “recoverable” which I’m guessing will lead to Kate (and Sawyer) trying to rescue Claire…

  15. Mr. Completely Says:

    I have to say though, the plotting/script for the Claire and Kate stuff in alt-world was quite laughable

    I understand and like where they’re going with it, but the way they got together was ludicrous

  16. Mr. Completely Says:

    last point for tonight

    we (including I) have been talking about free will vs. destiny or fate as the final theme

    but what if the answer is…not ambiguous, but not black and white either? what if it’s a mix of both? what if your actions influence your fate? you have a track, but you can change tracks? is there a name for that?

    yes, and it’s “karma.” and that’s what I think the show is about: karma. how we create our own destinies, but then can become trapped in them, or escape, and start over again.

    Everyone talked about the best line of the season premier being “I’m sorry you had to see me like that” but I think it was “It only ends once, everything before that is just progress.” It’s the most crucial line of dialog in the whole series, IMO: the thesis statement, the crux of the biscuit, as we say.

  17. Lycanthropist Says:

    @Mr. C

    there is no truer statement than the last paragraph of your last post.
    there is a reason they closed season 5 and opened season 6 with it.
    This is the central focus of everything the survivors have been doing..
    they have been cycling sense season 1

    for example:
    the main focus of each season has inevitably blown up at the end of the season.

    Season 1: The Hatch Door, The Raft
    Season 2: The Hatch
    Season 3: The Others
    Season 4: The Freighter
    Season 5: The Swan
    Season 6: The Island?

    They are repeating things over and over through out the series.

    Oceanic 815 and Ajira 316
    Claire and Russo
    John being used
    etc etc

    the cycle has been ongoing and yet are they tryin to show us the concept of achieving nirvana. Or that their souls are living their lives major decisions over and over until they live the life that is perfection (the ALT timeline perhaps?)

    Its late and I fear I will digress into further foolishness… so I stop for now.

  18. Lycanthropist Says:

    more examples:

    how many times have we seen Locke lose the use of his legs?
    how many times have we seen Sayid watch the woman he loved die in his arms?
    how many times have we seen Sawyer run the long con?
    how many times have we seen Jin and Sun separated?

  19. Mr. Completely Says:

    the idea of history as cycles that repeat but with variations that amount to progress is a deep one with a lot of history

    you get chance after chance to get it right and when you do you are released from the cycle

    that is the essence of the karmic viewpoint

    out for tonight


  20. jay Says:

    great points mrC. I am a true believer in karmic fate. You keep returning to the same cycle until you get it right. Each time (hopefully) is progress. Then it ends when you get it right and move to the next cycle and start again. Each cycle you get right you get closer to nirvana/true enlightenment.

  21. JamesTanglewylde Says:

    I’m starting to think that smokey the monster taking human form and this new “infection” concept has been going on from the very beginning of the show, and will, when revealed, change the way we experienced all of the previous shows. It’s just like Charlie and Drive Shaft sang…”you are everybody!”

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